Notes and Queries, Vol. III, Number 83, May 31, 1851: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc. — John Shaqi
Notes and Queries, Vol. III, Number 83, May 31, 1851: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.Various
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Notes and Queries, Vol. III, Number 83, May 31, 1851: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.
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Questions and answers -- Periodicals
The lines are under the engraved bust of Fox, prefixed to the edition,
in elephant folio, of his _History of the early Part of the Reign of
James II._, and the word there given is "course." In my copy of that
work is inserted a letter from Miller, the publisher, to a deceased
friend of mine, who was an original subscriber at "Five Guineas,
boards!"
That letter, so far as is material, is as follows:--
"The error in the engraving of the writing was certainly a very bad
one, and not to be remedied, but it is a satisfaction to me that it
was Lord Holland's mistake and not mine. I have his lordship's
original writing of the four lines to clear myself. W. Miller,
Albemarle Street, June 6, 1808."
Q. D.
* * * * *
_Ejusdem Farinæ_ (Vol. iii., p. 278.).--This phrase was used in a
disparaging sense long before the time of the "scholastic doctors and
casuists of the middle ages," as may appear from Persius, v. 115-117.,
where he is showing that an elevation in rank does not necessarily
produce a more elevated tone of mind; and says to an imaginary upstart:
"Sin tu, cum fueris _nostræ_ paulò antè _farinæ_,
Pelliculam veterem retines, et fronte politus
Astutam vapido servas sub pectore vulpem," &c.
It is needless to add that the metaphor is taken from loaves made from
the "_same batch_" of flour, where, if one be bad, all the others must
be equally so.
J. EASTWOOD.
Ecclesfield Hall.
Stephens, in his _Thesaurus_, under the head of "Farinæ," states--
"Proverbiales locutiones sunt, Ejusdem Farinæ, Nostræ farinæ,"
but makes no allusion to its being a term expressive of baseness and
disparagement. Nor does it seem to be so used by Persius in v. 115. of
his 5th Satire:
"Si tu, cum fueris nostræ paulò antè farinæ."
We employ a somewhat similar expression, when we say, "both of the same
kidney."
C. I. R.
This expression may be traced beyond "the scholastic doctors and
casuists of the middle ages." Erasmus, in his _Adagia_, says,--
"Ejusdem farinæ dicuntur, inter quos est indiscreta similitudo. Quod
enim aqua ad aquam collata, idem ad farinam farinæ. Persius in 5
Satyr.
"'Nostræ paulò antè farinæ,
Pelliculam veterem retines.'"
And again, on the proverb "Omnia idem pulvis," he says,--
"Quin nobis omnia idem, quod aiunt, pulvis: alludens ad defunctorum
cineres, inter quos nibil apparet discriminis. Confine illi quod alio
demonstravimus proverbio, ejusdem farinæ. Siquidem antiqui farinam
pollinem vocabant."
Is. Casaubon, in a note on the above passage of Persius, says,--
"Proverbium Latinum ad notandum similitudinem, 'est ejusdem farinæ,'
proprie locum habet in panibus."
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