_A._ The gun was pointing toward the brig. _Q._ Who were about the gun? _A._ Before I went on board I saw that a man was stationed beside the gun; I could not say which of them it was. _Q._ What crew had you? _A._ I had four men, a cook, and mate. _Q._ Were they armed? _A._ No, sir. _Q._ Were you armed? _A._ I had one old musket that would go off at half-cock. _Q._ Was there any gun on board your vessel? _A._ None except that. _Q._ How many men did you see on the deck of the Savannah? _A._ Some 16, or 18, or 20. _Q._ Were you transferred to the Perry from the Savannah? _A._ Yes. _Q._ And from the Perry to the Minnesota? _A._ Yes. _Q._ And from the Minnesota to the Harriet Lane? _A._ No; to the Savannah. I came to New York in the Savannah. _Q._ Then the Savannah sailed to New York before the Harriet Lane did? _A._ Yes, sir. _Q._ Where were you born? _A._ In the Duchy of Holstein, under the flag of Denmark. _Q._ You have been naturalized? _A._ Yes. _Q._ In what Court? _A._ In the Court of Common Pleas, New York. _Q._ When did you come to this country? _A._ In the winter of '47. _Q._ Did you hail from here ever since? _A._ I hailed from almost all over the States. I never had a home until lately. I have hailed from here about a year. Before that, wherever my chest was was my home. _Q._ You have resided in the United States ever since you were naturalized? _A._ Yes, sir; I have never been out of it except on voyages. _Q._ You have continued to be a citizen of the United States since you were naturalized? _A._ Yes. _Q._ And to reside in the United States? _A._ Yes. _Q._ Do you recollect the names of your crew? _A._ No, sir; none except the mate; his name was Bridges. _Q._ Is he here? _A._ Yes. _Q._ When the Joseph was seized by the Savannah, what was done with the Joseph? _A._ She was taken a prize, a crew of six was put on board of her, and they started with her to westward. _Q._ What became of the rest of the men of the Joseph besides yourself? _A._ They were carried on with the Joseph; I continued on the Savannah. _Q._ When did you first observe, on board the Savannah, that the American flag was flying? _A._ When she was within about a mile and a half off. _Q._ At what time, in reference to her distance from you, did she run up the Confederate flag? _A._ The Confederate flag was not run up until after I had asked Captain Baker by what authority he ordered me to go on board; then the Confederate flag was run up; that was just before I went on board. _Cross-examined by Mr. Larocque._ _Q._ Be good enough to spell your name. _A._ Thies N. Meyer. _Q._ Was there any flag hoisted on board the Savannah at the time she was captured by the Perry, or immediately preceding that? _A._ They were trying to hoist the Stars and Stripes up, but it got foul and they could not get it up, and they had to haul it down again. _Q._ Then she had no flag flying at the time? _A._ No, sir.