Mr. BELIN. The people behind the man that you later found out to be Oswald, how far were they behind? Mr. WALKER. They were about three or four or five seats behind him. Mr. BELIN. In what row were they? Mr. WALKER. I believe they were in the last row, or maybe the next to the last. Mr. BELIN. What row was Oswald in, to the best of your recollection? Mr. WALKER. The best I recall, fourth or fifth aisle from me, from the back. Mr. BELIN. Fourth or fifth row from the back? Mr. WALKER. Yes. Mr. BELIN. All right, now, you mentioned there were two people sitting together in the center? Mr. WALKER. Yes. Mr. BELIN. You came up and approached those people? Mr. WALKER. McDonald approached them from the---- Mr. BELIN. Right? Mr. WALKER. Right center aisle, and I approached from the left center aisle. Mr. BELIN. Did you have your gun drawn? Mr. WALKER. I had it drawn, and I put it back in my holster. Mr. BELIN. Why did you do that? Mr. WALKER. I had to search him. As I got up to him, we had him stand up and we searched him with their hands up, and I had my gun in the holster. I searched the one on the left, and McDonald searched the one on the right. Mr. BELIN. Were you looking at other people? Mr. WALKER. I looked around. Of course, I didn't recognize anybody. I didn't know who they were. Mr. BELIN. Then what? Mr. WALKER. I walked back up to the aisle that I had been going down, and McDonald walked out the aisle he had been walking down, and we approached the aisle where Oswald was sitting. McDonald approached him from his aisle, and Hutson, which was in front of me on the same aisle, had started in the seat toward Oswald, in the seat that runs behind him. Mr. BELIN. You mean the row of seats that ran behind him? Mr. WALKER. And he started down that way, and I was walking toward him slightly behind him in the same row of seats that Oswald was sitting. Mr. BELIN. So you approached Oswald from Oswald's left, and McDonald approached Oswald from Oswald's right? Mr. WALKER. That's right. Mr. BELIN. Was Oswald sitting closer to McDonald, or you? Mr. WALKER. Closer to McDonald. He was sitting in the third seat from McDonald's aisle. Mr. BELIN. All right, then, what happened? Mr. WALKER. McDonald approached him, and he said, I don't know exactly, I assumed he said, "Stand up!" And Oswald stood up. Mr. BELIN. Did you hear Oswald say anything? Mr. WALKER. No. Mr. BELIN. Was Oswald facing you as he stood up? Mr. WALKER. No; he faced McDonald. Mr. BELIN. All right. Mr. WALKER. He put his hand up, not exactly as you would raise your hands to be searched, but more or less showing off his muscles, what I call it, kind of hunching his shoulders at the same time, and McDonald put his hand down to Oswald's pocket, it looked like to me, and McDonald's head was tilted slightly to the right, looking down in the right hand. Mr. BELIN. Looking in whose?