Mr. RAY. Well, frankly, I just didn't pay much attention to the guy. I wasn't around him very much. Mr. LIEBELER. Did there come a time over the weekend either at the Ford party or following the Ford party where the Oswalds were discussed in your presence? Mr. RAY. There was a time, yes, sir. Mr. LIEBELER. Where was that, do you remember? Mr. RAY. That was at the home of--I believe their name is Meller or Miller. Mr. LIEBELER. M-e-l-l-e-r [spelling], would that be right? Mr. RAY. Well, now the lady's name was Anna Meller and her husband was---- Mr. LIEBELER. Would it be T-e-o-f-i-l [spelling]? Mr. RAY. Yes; something like that. Mr. LIEBELER. Who was there at this time? Mr. RAY. Of course, we were there, Natalie and I and the Harrises and Anna Meller and her husband and it seems like this lady from Houston was there. I believe she was from Houston. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember her name? Mr. RAY. No; I don't now. Mr. LIEBELER. B-i-g-g-e-r-s [spelling]; does that ring a bell with you? Mr. RAY. What was the first name? Mr. LIEBELER. Tatiana. Mr. RAY. Yes, I believe she was there that Sunday afternoon. I believe she was. Mr. LIEBELER. Was anybody else there; do you remember George Bouhe? Mr. RAY. Oh, yeah; George was there. I was trying to think. I got acquainted with George. He's one I got acquainted with. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember Lydia Dymitruk being there? Mr. RAY. Well, I might. Mr. LIEBELER. I don't want you to remember if you don't really. Mr. RAY. Well, I don't really right now. I don't really remember. Mr. LIEBELER. Tell us what the conversation about the Oswalds was to the best of your recollection. Mr. RAY. The thing that I remember most was George telling us what a nut he was. It seemed that George had tried to help him and I think the Fords had tried to help him and maybe the Frank Rays or some of this group, you know, had tried to help him get adjusted and tried to help Mrs. Oswald get adjusted to the American way of life and frankly, George Bouhe came out and told me he said he was a damn nut. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you any specific reasons for his opinion? Mr. RAY. Well, nothing real specific but it seemed that he wasn't too good to his wife. He didn't treat her as they thought he should. He wasn't real good to her. Mr. LIEBELER. Did Bouhe tell you that Oswald was reported to have beaten Marina up? Mr. RAY. I think that came into the conversation, too, and that she had gone and stayed a couple weeks with somebody. I don't know if it was the Fords or the Rays or who it was but that I think was the situation. Mr. LIEBELER. Anyway, as far as you can recall Bouhe indicated that he was pretty much at the end of his rope as far as Oswald was concerned? Mr. RAY. Yeah. Mr. LIEBELER. He did not have a very high opinion of Oswald? Mr. RAY. No; he did not have a high opinion of Oswald. Mr. LIEBELER. Did anybody else there express an opinion about Oswald along these lines as far as you can remember?