Mr. OGILVIE. I knew nothing about it. I may say, also, that the first draft of this bill that I have seen was received in my office in Chicago Saturday morning last. Again, on page 18 of the bill, section 25: That any person who willfully and for profit shall infringe any copyright secured by this act, or who shall knowingly or willfully aid or abet such infringement or in any wise knowingly and willfully take part in any such infringement shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment for not exceeding one year or by a fine, etc. It seems to me a little out of order for the gentlemen who are sponsors for this bill to make it possible for them to get a copyright on a book, and if they are not caught in making a false affidavit in securing it, that a man shall go to the penitentiary for a year for pirating that particular book. It will be rather difficult for one to prove, after a number of years, that a publisher who has made an affidavit to secure a copyright to which he really was not entitled had committed perjury in connection with the securing of that copyright; but the question as to one's piracy of the book is open and "he that runs may read." It seems to me that there is a punishment there that they have applied to the wrong crime. If the man who makes a false affidavit were to go to the penitentiary for the year, I think it would protect the interests that desire protection in this country, in the form of labor, in the matter of setting up and manufacturing books wholly within the limits of the United States. The CHAIRMAN. Do I understand you to contend that the Librarian should be charged with any special duty in that regard, for the registry of the copyright? Mr. OGILVIE. No, sir; the Librarian can not determine whether a man is making a false or correct affidavit, but if one makes a false affidavit he is the man who should go to the penitentiary and not the individual who pirates his book. Mr. BONYNGE. Does not section 13 provide that the man who makes the affidavit shall be guilty of a misdemeanor? Mr. OGILVIE. Yes; and the penalty therein provided is, "he shall be fined not exceeding one thousand dollars." That is all. Mr. CURRIER. What is your suggestion? Mr. OGILVIE. That you change the punishment. Mr. CURRIER. And make it a penitentiary offense? Mr. OGILVIE. Let them both go to the penitentiary, if either one goes. Mr. CURRIER. In both cases? Mr. OGILVIE. In both cases, if necessary. Do not eliminate the publisher. I am a publisher, but if I have made a false affidavit, there is no reason why the man who pirates my book should go to the penitentiary and I should only have to pay a fine, if I am caught. I see no reason why a man should go to the penitentiary in either case, really. He may unwittingly infringe the copyright of a book. Mr. CURRIER. This says "willfully."