Cross-examined by Mr. Purves: I was not discharged from the Underwriters’ Association, but left their employment because I had finished my agreement with them. I am now in business for myself. I am a surveyor of shipping, and also teach navigation. I have the same authority to survey ships as any other surveyor. I have not got up this case. I made the model exhibited, and McKenzie the shipwright finished it. I have spoken to Captain Mathieson on several occasions. He did not carry a pilot on board. He was an exempt master and a skilful sailor. From Melbourne to Bairnsdale and back, would be about 530 miles, and the _Alert_ would need about fifty tons of coal to do the round. She would burn twenty tons in twenty-four hours, and at the time she foundered, she would have burnt a good deal of her supply of coal. A ton of water is about three feet by two feet in size. There would be a ton and three quarters in a 400 gallon tank. If both the alleyways were filled, they would hold about fifty tons of water, and the ship would go under. At the time the _Alert_ was built, the bunker tops on a good many vessels were fitted in the same way as hers; but they are not allowed to be fitted in such a way now. I surveyed the _Alert_. I did not pass her for insurance. She was refused by the Underwriters. I will swear the Secretary informed me that she was not to be insured until she was passed. She was not passed by me. Glass ports are just as efficient to keep out the sea as an iron casing, because they are properly secured inside. A window like the _Alert’s_ could be made perfectly secure, but in her case it was not. When I surveyed the ship I did not complain of the window. I would not object to it because the ship was only trading to Geelong. I know the S. S. _Excelsior_. She is not fit to go to sea. I would not pass her. HENRY WILLIAM BYRANT, examined by Mr. Smyth: I am a duly qualified medical practitioner residing at Williamstown. I knew John Kennedy Kilpatrick for four years. He never ailed in any way. I examined him once or twice, and found him perfectly sound and a very strong man. I would not make any statement as to how long he might have lived, but he would live as long as any healthy man might live. His age was twenty-eight to thirty. [Illustration: Decoration] KILPATRICK v. HUDDART, PARKER & CO., LTD THIRD DAY, FEBRUARY 13, 1895. _Evidence for the Plaintiff._—(_Continued._)