How is that possible? said the Scholar. What, can Heaven and Hell be here present, where we are now sitting? And if one of them might, can you ever make me believe that ever both should be here together? Then spoke the Master in this manner: I have said that Heaven is everywhere present and it is true. For God is in Heaven; and God is everywhere. I have said also that Hell must be in like manner everywhere. For the _Wicked One_, who is the Devil, is in Hell, and the whole World, as the Apostle hath taught us, lyeth in the _Wicked One_, or the _Evil One_; which is as much as to say, not only that the Devil is in the World, but that the World is in the Devil; and if in the Devil, then in Hell too, because he is there. So Hell therefore is everywhere, as well as Heaven; which is the thing that was to be proved. The Scholar, startled hereat, said: Pray make me to understand this. To whom the Master: Understand then what Heaven is. It is but the _turning in of the Will to the Love of God_. Wheresoever thou findest God manifesting himself in Love, there thou findest Heaven, without travelling for it so much as one foot. And by this understand also what Hell is and where it is. I say unto thee it is but the _turning in of the Will into the wrath of God_. Wheresoever the Anger of God doth more or less manifest itself, there certainly is more or less of Hell, in whatsoever place it be. So that it is but the turning in of thy will either into his Love, or into his Anger; and thou art accordingly either in Heaven or in Hell. Mark it well. And this now cometh to pass in this present life, whereof St Paul speaking saith, _Our conversation is in Heaven_. And the Lord Christ saith also, _My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give them the Eternal Life, and none shall pluck them out of my hand_. Observe, he saith not, I _will give_ them, after this life is ended, but I _give_ them, that is, now in the time of this life. And what else is this gift of Christ to his followers, but an Eternity of Life, which for certain can be no where but in Heaven. Yea, moreover, none shall be able to pluck them out of Heaven, because it is he who holdeth them there, and they are in his hand which nothing can resist. All therefore doth consist in the turning in, or entering of the Will into Heaven, by hearing the the voice of Christ, and both _knowing_ him, and _following_ him. And so on the contrary it is also. Understandest thou this? His Scholar said to him: I think, in part, I do. But how cometh this entering of the Will into Heaven to pass?