“One may perhaps draw some inferences in regard to the true sense of the Message from some words which escaped the President in a private conversation with me. ‘I see with pain,’ he said, ‘that our people have a tendency toward commerce which no other kind of interest will be able to balance; we should be essentially agricultural, and yet agriculture will never be more than a secondary interest here.’... In a preceding interview the President invited me to a discussion of Spanish affairs.... After some complaints about Spanish privateers, and the protection which Spain granted to ours in particular, Mr. Jefferson expanded on the griefs of the Americans in regard to some excursions of Spanish patrols beyond the limits provisionally established, and, in consequence, within the territory of Louisiana. I replied that doubtless the Spanish government had not authorized these steps, and that the mistakes of a few subalterns could not produce serious differences between the two Powers. ‘That is true; but,’ he added, ‘these Spaniards are so stupid (_bêtes_), their government so detested,’ etc. It was not easy to contradict him on this point. As for the English, his complaints and reproaches have been much more serious. He has assured me that they have taken five hundred American ships; that they could not have done more harm had they been at war with America; yet that England would in vain try, as against the Americans, to destroy neutral rights. ‘In that respect,’ added Mr. Jefferson, ‘we have _principles_ from which we shall never depart; our people have commerce everywhere, and everywhere our neutrality should be respected. On the other hand, we do not want war,--and all this is very embarrassing.’” Turreau’s comment on these words may have affected the policy of Napoleon, as it must certainly have had weight with Talleyrand:-- “If your Excellency was not already acquainted with the man and his government, this last phrase would be enough to enable you to judge the one and the other.” CHAPTER VI.