When I was elected a delegate to represent the crew of the ship that I was working on, to attend our first strike meeting, on my way to that meeting I stopped at the office of the president of the Maritime Federation of the Pacific, Mr. Harry Lundeberg, and asked him what he thought of the situation that I found myself in; namely, elected as a delegate, representing an organization which I knew practically nothing about. And I asked him further what advice he would give me. Mr. Lundeberg was very gracious to me, and advised me that the “tule” sailors--by which he referred to our Sound freight-boat men because he didn’t consider us to be genuine sailors at all because we didn’t get outside into deep water; we were always here in the rivers or the harbors, and he called us “tule” sailors. And he said, “The first thing you have got to do is get rid of your finky leaders.” And I asked him on what basis he made such a statement. And he said, “You talk to Ernie. Ernie can tell you the whole story, and I will O. K. and vouch for it.” So I asked Ernest Fox a little bit more about it. And Ernie explained to me that the maritime leaders at that time had a great hatred for the leaders of the then ferry boatmen’s union because those leaders of the ferry boatmen’s union had not gone along with the general strike plans in San Francisco in 1934. And Mr. Lundeberg was one of the principal supporters of those strike plans at that time. As a result of Mr. Lundeberg’s attitude at that time, the Communist Party had the utmost confidence in his integrity and in his leadership. And Mr. Fox, Ernest Fox, informed me that Lundeberg had attended fraction meetings, taught fraction meetings where he had met with 1 or 2 party leaders to outline the policy and program to be followed. Mr. VELDE. When you say “party leaders” are you referring to the Communist Party? Mr. DENNETT. That is right; I am referring to Communist Party leaders. But Mr. Fox also warned me at that time that he had a few misgivings about where Mr. Lundeberg was going because Mr. Lundeberg had already begun to show evidence that he was beginning to have differences with the party and that he was resisting attending any more fraction meetings at a very early date. So it is quite true that Mr. Lundeberg was incensed. He didn’t like the Communist Party. I simply mention in passing, at the outset, that he had been brought into a fraction meeting, and it was common knowledge. Mr. MOULDER. In other words, he had been brought into contact with the Communist Party leaders as a result of the work he was performing but not in the capacity of being a Communist himself? Is that what you are saying? Mr. DENNETT. That is true. Even the most ardent anti-Communist can be drawn into Communist activities. Mr. MOULDER. Do you mean drawn into contact with Communists? Mr. DENNETT. Yes. My counsel cautions me to be certain that you understand I at no time accused Mr. Harry Lundeberg of being a Communist.