Mr. TAVENNER. Mr. O’Connell, continuing with the matter of grants by the Robert Marshall Foundation, of which you were one of the trustees, it is noted that grants totaling $30,366.85 were made to you. Can you explain that? Mr. O’CONNELL. Yes. Those would be in my opinion the total amount that I received for traveling expenses, for meetings of the foundation. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you mean, then, no specific grant was actually made to you? Mr. O’CONNELL. There was no actual specific grant made to me. The provisions of the will, as I remember them, provided that the trustees are to receive no compensation except their traveling expenses to and from meetings of the trustees of the foundation. Mr. TAVENNER. I note that there was introduced into the record during the Canwell hearings, check No. 94 bearing date of October 2, 1942, drawn on the funds of the Robert Marshall Foundation in the amount of $150 made payable to you. Have you any explanation to make of that item? Mr. O’CONNELL. I am sure that, if I knew the meeting date of the foundation at that time, we also had a practice when a meeting of the foundation was called by the trustees, if the financial situation of the trustee involved was such that he needed an advance for expenses to come to the meeting, an advance was made in the amount of probably $150 or so, but it was always expended for either transportation or meals and hotel and so on, while in attendance at the meetings of the foundation. Mr. TAVENNER. You testified yesterday that in May of 1949 you procured a grant of $4,000 for the use of the Northwest Pacific Labor School. Mr. O’CONNELL. Of course I think that ought to be--I personally couldn’t procure the grant. The grant was voted by at least a majority of the trustees for the Pacific Northwest Labor School. Mr. TAVENNER. Was the grant actually made through your efforts? Mr. O’CONNELL. I advocated that the grant be made, yes. Mr. TAVENNER. And Daschbach interviewed you with regard to it before you presented it? Mr. O’CONNELL. Yes, that is correct. Mr. TAVENNER. Was any part of that grant or any other grant used for the benefit of the Northwest edition of the Daily People’s World? Mr. O’CONNELL. As far as I know, certainly not. I mean the grants were made to the organization and certainly no part of that grant as far as I would know, what actually Daschbach may have done with it later I wouldn’t be able to specifically say. Mr. TAVENNER. Did you learn anything about it, even from a second-hand source? Mr. O’CONNELL. No; I never learned, never had any information that it was used for any other purpose. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you know whether any part of the $4,000 grant or any other grant from the foundation was used for the benefit of the Civil Rights Congress in the State of Washington?