Notes and Queries, Number 191, June 25, 1853: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.Various
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Notes and Queries, Number 191, June 25, 1853: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.
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_Cross and Pile_ (Vol. vii., p. 487.).--Another evidence that the word
_pile_ is of French origin: {632} "_Pille_, pile; that side of the coin
which bears the head. Cross or pile, a game."--_A Dictionary of the Norman
French Language_, by Robert Kelham of Lincoln's Inn: London, 1779, 8vo., p.
183.
[Phi].
_Old Fogie_ (Vol. vii., pp. 354. 559.).--J. L., who writes from Edinburgh,
denies the Irish origin of this appellation, because he says it was used of
the "veteran companies" who garrisoned the castles of Edinburgh and
Stirling. My mother, who was born in 1759, often told me that she never had
heard any other name for the old men in the Royal Hospital, in the vicinity
of which she passed her early days. It was therefore a well-known name a
century ago in Dublin, and consequently was in use long before; probably
from the building of the hospital in the reign of Charles II. Can J. L.
trace the Scotch term as far back as that? Scotch or Irish, however, I
maintain that my derivation is the right one. J. L. says he prefers that of
Dr. Jamieson, in his _Scottish Dictionary_, who "derives it from Su.-G.
_Fogde_, formerly one who had the charge of a garrison." In thus preferring
a Scottish authority, J. L. shows himself to be a true Scot; but he must
allow me to ask him, is he acquainted with the Swedish language? (for that
is what is meant by the mysterious Su.-G.) And if so, is he not aware that
_Fogde_ is the same as the German _Vogt_, and signifies governor, judge,
steward, &c., never merely a military commandant; and what on earth has
that to do with battered old soldiers?
I may as well take this opportunity of replying to another of your
Caledonian correspondents, respecting the origin of the word _nugget_. The
Persian derivation is simply ridiculous, as the word was not first used in
Australia. I am then perfectly well aware that this term has long been in
use in Scotland and the north of Ireland as _i. q._ lump, as a _nugget_ of
bread, of sugar, &c. But an _ingot_ is a lump also: and the derivation is
so simple and natural, that in any case I am disposed to regard it as the
true one. May not the Yankee term have been made independently of the
British one?
THOS. KEIGHTLEY.
_Another odd Mistake_ (Vol. vii., p. 405.).--On page 102. of _Last Glimpses
of Convocation_, by A. J. Joyce, 1853, I read of "the defiance thrown out
to Henry III. by his barons, _Nolumus leges Angliae mutare_." I have never
read of any such defiance, expressed in any such language, anywhere else.
W. FRASER.
Tor-Mohun.
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