_Mr. W_. I perfectly agree with what you say. But Mr. Clarke holds that baptism is in lieu of circumcision, and we know that Abraham and his seed were commanded to observe circumcision when the child was eight days old. {47} _Elder B_. Circumcision and baptism are two different ordinances, and have no relation to each other. Circumcision was a sign of the covenant which God made with Abraham and his seed. Baptism is for the remission of individual sins. Circumcision could only be performed on one sex. Baptism is binding on both. Circumcision was preceded by no teaching. Baptism is invariably preceded by faith and repentance. Both circumcision and baptism were observed by the children of Israel under Moses.--1 Cor. x. 2. So you see that circumcision and baptism are two distinct ordinances, widely differing in their nature and application. _Mr. W_. I see they are. _Elder B_. After men have been baptized, they are required to have hands laid upon them, that they may receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. Then, according to their faithfulness and diligence in keeping the commandments of God, the various manifestations of the Holy Ghost are poured out upon men--such as the gift of speaking in foreign tongues, of the interpretation of tongues, prophecy, dreams, visions, the gift of healing, and of working miracles, discernment of spirits, &c. _Mr. W_. Do you believe in having these things now? Why one of the principal reasons that I have never joined any religious body is, that I could read in the Bible of these great and glorious gifts being enjoyed in ancient times, and I could not find any people who contended for these things now. I have expressed my thoughts on these subjects to Mr. Clarke, and his wife, and his brother, but they all declare that these blessings were only given for the establishment of Christianity, and that they, not being intended to continue upon the earth, are not now given, and, indeed, are not now needed. But I could never see the reason for this. I could see in the Bible no reason why men should not obtain these blessings now as anciently. In fact, I think the Bible decidedly encourages all men to seek after these things, for Paul says, "The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." And we are well aware that salvation is just the same thing now as anciently. Men have now the same weakness to overcome, the same temptations to resist, the same devil to oppose them, and the same end to obtain as in the days of the Apostles. And why should men now not have the same blessings from the hands of the Lord to assist them in obtaining salvation, as the primitive Christians had to assist them? It is certain that either God has changed, or men have degenerated and become unworthy {48} of such distinguished blessings as the early Christians enjoyed. But I am pleased to find that you believe in obtaining these blessings, I shall be happy to listen further to your views of the matter.