_Owens_. "I was in the cook-room, and hearing some difference on the deck, I came out, and the gunner was grinding a chisel on the grind-stone, and the captain and he had some words, and the gunner said to the captain, 'You have brought us to ruin, and we are desolate.' 'And,' says he, (the captain) 'have I brought you to ruin? I have not brought you to ruin. I have not done an ill thing to ruin you; you are a saucy fellow to give me these words.' And then he took up the bucket, and did give him the blow." _Kidd_. "Was there a mutiny among the men?" _Owens_. "Yes, and the bigger part was for taking the ship, and the captain said, 'You that will take the Dutchman, you are the strongest, you may do what you please. If you will take her, you may take her, but if you go from aboard here, you shall never come aboard again.'" _The Lord Chief Baron_. "When was this mutiny you speak of?" _Owens_. "When we were at sea, about a month before this man's death." _Kidd_. "Call Richard Barlicorn." (Barlicorn was an apprentice who has been mentioned in the inventory of the Sloop _San Antonio_.) _Kidd_. "What was the reason the blow was given to the gunner?" Barlicorn. "At first, when you met with the ship (_Loyal Captain_) there was a mutiny, and two or three of the Dutchmen came aboard, and some said she was a rich vessel, and they would take her. And the captain (Kidd) said, 'No, I will not take her,' and there was a mutiny in the ship, and the men said, 'If you will not, we will.' And he said, 'If you have a mind, you may, but they that will not, come along with me.'" _Kidd_. "Do you think William Moore was one of those that was for taking her?" _Barlicorn_. "Yes. And William Moore lay sick a great while before this blow was given, and the doctor said when he visited him, that this blow was not the cause of his death." _The Lord Chief Baron_. "Then they must be confronted. Do you hear, Bradingham, what he says?" _Bradingham_. "I deny this." As for this surgeon, Kidd swore that he had been a drunken, useless idler who would lay in the hold for weeks at a time. Seaman Hugh Parrott was then called and asked by Kidd: "Do you know the reason why I struck Moore?" _Parrott_. "Yes, because you did not take the _Loyal Captain_, whereof Captain How was commander." _The Lord Chief Baron_. "Was that the reason that he struck Moore, because this ship was not taken?"