Later in the evening efforts to engage the defunct Mr. Seybert in conversation were again made. The company were as before gathered about the table. "Raps" were made by Mrs. Kane on the floor. The "spirit" was asked if he knew the members of the Commission present, and to state their number. When it came to the response to the latter part of the question there were "seven slow, deliberate and distinct raps." Alas! the "spirit" had mistaken the guest of the Commission, Mr. George S. Pepper, and the stenographers for members! The latter were seated at a separate table. "MR. SELLERS. Are there seven members of the Committee present? "Three raps. "MR. SELLERS. Are they all seated around one table? "No response. About forty seconds elapse. "MR. SELLERS. Are they seated at two tables? "Three raps--quite feeble. "MR. SELLERS (to his associates). We still must go back to the one thing. The information we receive through these responses is of little importance to us compared with the information which we must obtain as to whether these sounds are produced by a disembodied Spirit or by some living person; that is, in deference to the 'Medium.' (To Mr. Furness.) Do you not think so? "Mr. Furness is understood to assent. "MR. SELLERS. We have tried the glass tumblers. We have the sounds here. I would ask Mrs. Kane if it is proper for us to look below the top of the table at the time the sounds are being produced, and in such a way as to see her feet. "The 'MEDIUM.' Yes, of course, you could do that, but it is not well to break, when you are standing, suddenly. As you know, you have to conform to the rules, else you will get no rappings. "MR. SELLERS. What are the rules? "The 'MEDIUM' (disconnectedly.) The rules are--every test condition, that I am perfectly willing to go through, and have gone through a thousand times--at the same time, there are times when you can break the rules. So slight a thing as the disjoining of hands may break the rules. I do not think the standing on the glass has been fully tried. "MR. SELLERS. We will try that later. "MR. FURNESS (to the 'medium,' informally). This investigation is one of great importance to us. There is no question about it--we have heard these curious sounds. Now as to whether they come from 'spirits' or not--that would seem to be the very next logical step in our inquiry. I think you are entirely at one with us in every possible desire to have this phenomenon investigated. "The 'MEDIUM.' Oh, certainly. But I pledge myself to conform to nothing, for--as I said in Europe--_I do not even say the sounds are from 'spirits_;' and, what is more, it is utterly beyond human power to detect them. _I do not say they are the spirits of our departed friends, but I leave others to judge for themselves._ "MR. FURNESS. Then you have come to the conclusion that they are entirely independent of yourself. "The 'MEDIUM.' No, _I do not know that they are entirely independent of myself_.