I do not remember that the women urged me to go toward the _Titanic_. I did not row toward the scene of the _Titanic_ because the suction of the ship would draw the boat, with all its occupants, under water. I did not know which way to go back to the _Titanic_. I was looking at all the other boats. We were looking at each other’s lights. After the lights disappeared and went out, we did hear cries of distress--a lot of crying, moaning and screaming, for two or three minutes. We made fast to another boat--that of the master-at-arms. It was No. 16. I had thirty-eight women in my boat. I counted them, sir. One seaman, Fleet; the Canadian Major, who testified here yesterday, myself and the Italian boy. We got down to the _Carpathia_ and I saw every lady and everybody out of the boat, and I saw them carefully hoisted on board the _Carpathia_, and I was the last man to leave the boat. BOAT NO. 8.[8] [8] British Report (p. 38) puts this boat second on port side at 1.10. Notwithstanding Seaman Fleet’s testimony (Am. Inq., p. 363), I think she must have preceded No. 6. _No male passengers in this boat._ _Passengers:_ Mrs. Bucknell and her maid (Albina Bazzani); Miss Cherry, Mrs. Kenyon, Miss Leader, Mrs. Pears, Mrs. Penasco and her maid (Mlle. Olivia); Countess Rothes and her maid (Miss Maloney); Mrs. Swift, Mrs. Taussig, Miss Taussig, Mrs. White and her maid (Amelia Bessetti); Mrs. Wick, Miss Wick, Miss Young and Mrs. Straus’ maid (Ellen Bird). Women: 24. _Said good-bye to wives and sank with the ship:_ Messrs. Kenyon, Pears, Penasco, Taussig and Wick. _Crew:_ Seaman T. Jones, Stewards Crawford and Hart, and a cook. _Total:_ 28. INCIDENTS T. Jones, seaman (Am. Inq., p. 570). The captain asked me if the plug was in the boat and I answered, “Yes, sir.” “All right,” he said, “any more ladies?” He shouted twice again, “Any more ladies?” I pulled for the light, but I found that I could not get to it; so I stood by for a while. I wanted to return to the ship, but the ladies were frightened. In all, I had thirty-five ladies and three stewards, Crawford, Hart and another. There were no men who offered to get in the boat. I did not see any children, and very few women when we left the ship. There was one old lady there and an old gentleman, her husband. She wanted him to enter the boat with her but he backed away. She never said anything; if she did, we could not hear it, because the steam was blowing so and making such a noise.[9] [9] By the testimony of the witness and Steward Crawford it appears that Mr. and Mrs. Straus approached this boat and their maid got in, but Mr. Straus would not follow his wife and she refused to leave him. Senator Newlands: Can you give me the names of any passengers on this boat? Witness: One lady--she had a lot to say and I put her to steering the boat. Senator Newlands: What was her name? Witness: Lady Rothes; she was a countess, or something.