Mr. RANKIN. And was that always the case, whenever you didn't talk to someone during that period of time? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Everything depended only on me. Mr. RANKIN. And whenever you did want to talk to someone or see someone, you were always able to do that, were you? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, I did meet with Katya Ford, my former Russian friend. Mr. RANKIN. And you were always able to meet with anyone that you wanted to, is that right? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. Now, it has been claimed that Mrs. Ruth Paine tried to see you at various times and was unable to do so. Can you tell us about that? Mrs. OSWALD. She is trying very hard to come to see me, but I have no desire to meet with her. I think that she is trying to do that for herself, rather than for me. Mr. RANKIN. And whenever you have refused to see her when she tries to see you, that is because you didn't want to see her yourself, is that right? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. What about the newspaper and television and radio people? Have some of those tried to see you while you were at the Martins? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, they have tried. Mr. RANKIN. And have you done anything about their efforts to see you? Mrs. OSWALD. I never wanted to be popular in such a bad sense in which I am now, and therefore I didn't want to see them. But I did have a television interview in which I said that I am relatively satisfied with my situation, that I am not too worried and I thanked people for their attention towards me. Mr. RANKIN. Will you describe to us your relationship with your mother-in-law now? Mrs. OSWALD. After all of this happened I met with her at the police station. I was, of course, very sorry for her as Lee's mother. I was always sorry for her because Lee did not want to live with her. I understood her motherly concern. But in view of the fact of everything that happened later, her appearances in the radio, in the press, I do not think that she is a very sound thinking woman, and I think that part of the guilt is hers. I do not accuse her, but I think that part of the guilt in connection with what happened with Lee lies with her because he did not perhaps receive the education he should have during his childhood, and he did not have any correct leadership on her part, guidance. If she were in contact with my children now, I do not want her to cripple them. Mr. RANKIN. Has she tried to see you since the assassination? Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, all the time. Mr. RANKIN. And have you seen her since that time? Mrs. OSWALD. Accidentally we met at the cemetery on a Sunday when I visited there, but I didn't want to meet with her, and I left. She didn't understand that I didn't want to meet with her and she accused the Secret Service personnel of preventing her from seeing me. Mr. RANKIN. Except for the time at the jail and at the cemetery, have you seen her since the assassination? Mrs. OSWALD. No.