Mr. RAY. I don't know but there was something said about--now, George was trying to justify himself in his association with Oswald, see. He said something about that the only thing he was guilty of was trying to help the guy; do you know what I mean? He had tried to help the guy when he first came back and he said, "If that's a crime, I'm guilty." I remember that statement. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he express any concern as to his own safety or did he tell you that he thought he was going to have difficulty because of his previous association with Oswald? Mr. RAY. No; he didn't say a word about that. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think his statements about being guilty of trying to help Oswald were just an attempt to justify himself in his own mind? Mr. RAY. I think so; yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any subsequent conversation? Have you told us all now you can remember in your telephone conversation with Bouhe? Mr. RAY. Well, he said it was all in the paper. "You can read it in the paper", said "It's all in there." Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember if he said anything else? Mr. RAY. I don't know it has been so long ago that I don't right now; I don't remember anything. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever talk to Bouhe on the telephone again about that? Mr. RAY. About this deal? Mr. LIEBELER. Yes. Mr. RAY. No; that was the only time. Mr. LIEBELER. Have you seen him at any time? Mr. RAY. Haven't seen him since then. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you talk to anybody else, or did you talk to anybody else that was at this party about this assassination? Mr. RAY. Saw the Harrises, Ed Harris and his wife. I haven't--now, that's the only two people we've seen. I think Mrs. Ford wrote Natalie a letter. I don't know what the letter said. I wasn't interested but anyway she had tried to get her on the telephone or something and we did discuss this thing in Georgetown not too long ago. I had a niece to get married down at Kerrville so we had to go down to the wedding and on the way back we stopped and spent a little time at the Harrises and that's--of course, we discussed it then. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you talk with the Harrises about this get-together at Meller's that occurred after the Ford party at which Oswald was discussed? Mr. RAY. I am sure we did; now, I don't really recall. We discussed the whole durned thing with the Harrises and I am sure that that came into the conversation but right now, I don't remember exactly when and how it came about, you know. Mr. LIEBELER. Well, during this conversation with the Harrises was there any more conversation about Oswald's possibility of being a Russian agent? Mr. RAY. That subject always comes up and I am sure it did then. Mr. LIEBELER. Can you tell us the best of your recollection what was said about it? Mr. RAY. No; I cannot because I just don't remember. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember whether there was any consensus or agreement as to whether Oswald probably was or probably was not a Russian agent?