I said, "Yes." And he came down to my office and I spent approximately 2 hours with him. He came down, and I left my office in the Southland Center with him to go to a meeting at the Republic National Bank, and walked down with him, and he then left and I believe stated that he was going over to the YMCA where he was residing. Mr. LIEBELER. Can you fix the date of this meeting with any precision? Mr. BALLEN. I can't. I think it was either the latter part of 1962 or the very early part of 1963. I know the particular day was pleasant, because I recall walking down the street not wearing any topcoat, just wearing a regular coat, and that was also true of Oswald. Mr. LIEBELER. Did Oswald have a job at the time he came to talk to you; do you know? Mr. BALLEN. He indicated to me that he was not employed. Mr. LIEBELER. He told you he was living at the YMCA in Dallas, is that correct? Mr. BALLEN. That's correct. He told me that his--I knew he had a wife and child, and he indicated that his wife was staying with some friends, and his child, but he at that time was working out of the YMCA. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you where his wife was staying? Mr. BALLEN. No. I would have had some vague idea about that from the De Mohrenschildts. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have an idea from De Mohrenschildt? Mr. BALLEN. I had the idea that they were either moving into or just coming out of some apartment, and I would have an idea, which is very vague and not too accurate, that this may have been somewhere in the Oak Cliff region. Mr. LIEBELER. Did Oswald tell you anything about his previous employment? Mr. BALLEN. Just during the course of my trying to be helpful to him and of trying to see what skills he had so that I could try to develop some employment for him. He did say that he had some training in the U.S.S.R., in some area in the field of photography--no, some area in the field of reproduction, but the thing that I was impressed about in talking with him was his lack of any usable training. Mr. LIEBELER. What is the state of your recollection that Oswald told you he had received training in photography when he was in Russia? Mr. BALLEN. Pretty vague, but I had the feeling that he said he may have worked in some capacity, either in a house organ--or a newspaper in the U.S.S.R., and that he did have some training and knew how to use commercial camera equipment and general reproduction equipment. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you take any steps to help Oswald get a job as a result of his interview with you?