Mr. GLOVER. I knew about that situation; yes. I don't think I invited him particularly, although I may have mentioned him, but I invited her because of the Russian. Norm Fredricksen was in the office next to me, and I told him about the situation and asked him if he would be interested in coming, and he said he would come and he came. Mr. JENNER. Is he a married man? Mr. GLOVER. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Did he bring Mrs. Fredricksen? Mr. GLOVER. He brought Mrs. Fredricksen; yes, sir. I had the impression at that time that Norm had been the most studious of the three that had taken Russian and he was continuing. He was going to graduate school and he wanted to make it a major language. At least that was the motive he presented to me. I was interested in someone who could speak Russian and could hear both these people talk, so I invited him. I think that is all the people that were there. I know that when I talked to the FBI, I omitted Betty MacDonald's name in my statement. Mr. JENNER. At least for the moment this exhausts your recollection as to who attended your party? Mr. GLOVER. I believe so. I don't call it a party. Mr. JENNER. I think you mentioned the De Mohrenschildts. Did they drop in? Mr. GLOVER. Yes; for a few minutes, and went somewhere else. They were going somewhere. Mr. JENNER. Did the discussion take place--were there any discussions during the course of that evening with Lee Oswald which dealt with his political views? Mr. GLOVER. Yes; there were discussions. Mr. JENNER. Tell us about them. Mr. GLOVER. Again I have to give an overall impression I got. This may be partly as a result of questioning from some of the people present, but among the things that came out was that, and again I mentioned this before in connection with the other meeting, it is an overall impression--he was apparently a Marxist. Now I am not sure that I can say that he said exactly these words himself, or whether this was repeated to me after by Schmidt or Pierce or Mrs. Paine or someone, but as I say, I pay less attention to what a person says in detail than to the overall impression of what their style is; but I do remember specifically that he or someone else present said he was a Marxist---- Mr. JENNER. What impression did you have of the distinction, if any, between Marxism and Communism? Mr. GLOVER. Well, with reference specifically to the so-called Communist regime, the impression I got was that he was a Marxist theoretically, but he did not like what he saw in Russia. He didn't like it and came back, but apparently this did not satisfy him. Mr. JENNER. He had theories, but what he saw in Russia didn't measure up to those theories? Mr. GLOVER. Apparently so. Mr. JENNER. His so-called ideals? Mr. GLOVER. Yes. Mr. JENNER. In any event, he had--what he had come back to here in America didn't measure up to what he---- Mr. GLOVER. Apparently. He said so. Mr. JENNER. Would you put that in your own words. What did he say on this occasion?