Mr. GLOVER. I had not and I don't think his wife came there much to the church. I am not sure whether she ever came to the church. I believe she is a Quaker, and I think she came very little to the church. Maybe she did come and sing in the choir. Subsequently it was, as I remember, it was through him that I met her, and probably at a singing group which was organized, in which the majority of the members of the singing group were people who sing in the Unitarian choir. Mr. JENNER. Was this kind of a madrigal group? Mr. GLOVER. Yes. This was what it was called, depending on the membership at any time. They sing all kinds of things. Mr. JENNER. Go ahead about your party. Mr. GLOVER. Okay, so I knew at this time I had seen Ruth Paine on a few occasions in the past 6 months or a year, and I must have been talking with her or seen her somewhere previous to this time of the party, at which time she mentioned that she was going, she thought she was going to teach a course in Russian at St. Mark School; and that she was trying to brush up on the Russian, on--or maybe I am just thinking she said this latter. But she was interested, and I didn't really know--I think at that time I was aware of the fact she had majored in Russian in school, or knew Russian very well, and De Mohrenschildt's wife Jeanne, was trying to find someone who could converse with her, and I thought I would tell Ruth Paine about her, maybe she would be interested in talking with this woman. So I invited her, and she said she would be interested. That is the explanation of how she came. Mr. JENNER. Did you tell Ruth Paine about the Oswalds, to the extent that you knew about them at that time? Mr. GLOVER. I am sure I did. Mr. JENNER. Did she indicate whether she had any acquaintance or knowledge of the Oswalds? Mr. GLOVER. Well, it never occurred to me to question this until it was brought up by the FBI. As far as I know, this was completely new to her. Mr. JENNER. Your reaction at that time, in any event, was, as far as Mrs. Paine is concerned, your knowledge of her, she knew nothing about the Oswalds? Mr. GLOVER. That's right, completely new to her. Dick Pierce came. At the time, Dick kept company with a girl who works at the laboratory, Betty MacDonald, and she came along. I believe he invited her to come. Mr. JENNER. Did she speak Russian? Mr. GLOVER. No; she did not. Mr. JENNER. All right, then you had Pierce accompanied by Betty MacDonald? Mr. GLOVER. Right. Mr. JENNER. And you had Ruth Paine. Was she accompanied by her husband? Mr. GLOVER. Yes. Mr. JENNER. She was accompanied by her husband on that occasion? Mr. GLOVER. I am pretty sure that he was there. Again I am not a hundred percent sure. I think we talked about this, the three of us, that were living together. I am sure he was there. Mr. JENNER. Were you aware that Mrs. Paine and her husband were separated? Mr. GLOVER. I was. Mr. JENNER. As of that time?