Mr. JENNER. Did the women kind of move around and the men gather together, or would, as sometimes happens at meetings of this nature, were you all gathered generally in the same room or the same general vicinity and everybody take part in the social intercourse and interplay? Mr. GLOVER. Well, I don't remember any particular pattern. The only person who would talk very much to Marina was Ruth Paine, because she was the only woman. Mr. JENNER. What about the De Mohrenschildts? Did they just drop in and leave right away? Mr. GLOVER. They stayed a very brief time. Mr. JENNER. Did the De Mohrenschildts take part? There wasn't anybody other than Mrs. Paine, or possibly Lee Oswald, to translate for Marina, is that a fair statement? Mr. GLOVER. That's right. The De Mohrenschildts did not come in at the beginning of the evening. They came sometime, if I remember, around 9 o'clock and stayed a short while and left. Mr. JENNER. Did your guests press Oswald as to his political views? Mr. GLOVER. Yes; he had been in Russia. He didn't think very much of that. He didn't think much of the United States' system, but what it was about the system, he didn't know. Mr. JENNER. In other words, they pressed him so they backed him in a corner, to use the vernacular, and he had no real answers? Mr. GLOVER. That's right. I think they ascertained that pretty well. Mr. JENNER. He just reiterated, "I am a Marxist," or "I believe in communism," or I have these ideals, but I haven't found the ideal site anywhere? So far, that is a fairly general statement? Mr. GLOVER. I think so. Mr. JENNER. Since I said so much about it, is there anything you want to elaborate on in that connection? Mr. GLOVER. No; I think what you said I agree to, that he was essentially more on the defensive. They asked him, as I just stated, what is the answer, and he essentially stated he didn't know the answer. Mr. JENNER. Do you have any impression as to why, if you had an impression at all, why this man did not want his wife to learn English? And if so, what was that impression? Mr. GLOVER. Well, the impression I had was simply one of maybe wanting to control her, but I did not think of anything beyond the usual situation which can happen with a man and his wife, where one person of the two is much, is very much the dominating person. Mr. JENNER. Did you feel he was the dominating person in the couple? Mr. GLOVER. I certainly did, because in the first place, the story I heard was they were trying to find a place for Marina where she could get away from him, but this later time they appeared to get along, so I assumed she was staying with him. Mr. JENNER. What impression did you have of him then and subsequently, as to whether he was a stable person? Mr. GLOVER. I did not think of stability at all, because he was fairly well behaved at the times I saw him. It is true, I did not think he was very candid, but I felt---- Mr. JENNER. You did not think he was very candid?