Mr. HUBERT. In other words, it is normal to have them transfer the prisoner to you, rather than for you to go and get them, or both? Mr. DECKER. No; it is normal but it is not too much--they transfer maybe one-tenth of maybe 1 percent, but as hot a piece of merchandise as this prisoner was, chances are Captain Fritz and his men would have attempted to bring him from the city hall to the courthouse. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, except in rare instances, meaning a situation of this sort, you send your men to the city jail to get them? Mr. DECKER. Day in and day out. We have a paddy wagon for that purpose and a driver for the purpose and uniforms and insignias and all on it. Mr. HUBERT. Now, when did you make any efforts to take custody of Oswald? Mr. DECKER. I can't tell you that as to when--the homicide occurred and the boy was taken in custody in the afternoon and that was on a Friday--I'm not going to tell you for certain because there was so much and on Friday afternoon we were taking statements in my office--you know--this thing happened, occurred just across the street from my office and we moved all the witnesses when we were on the ground there at the scene, all the witnesses we could locate--I was working there and I had Inspector Sawyer, who is there with me, and also Heitman of the FBI and my assistant chief deputy, and every witness, just as we picked up a witness that had any information at all, we sent him directly across the street to my office and reduced his statement to writing. Then, I talked to Fritz after he arrived. We had by then located the gun and the ammunition, my officers had located it in the building, and was awaiting the arrival of the scene searchers and also the arrival of my scene searchers and Fritz arrived and then I talked to Fritz and then we went across the street and he phoned and that's when I learned Oswald had been formerly employed there at that building. And, Fritz went to the city--now, here's something I'm uncertain about--whether I talked to him that afternoon or the next day about this removal, I cannot tell you because there was so much happening and so much press in our hair, I couldn't say, but I did discuss with him and advise with that I wished to be notified when he started to move this boy, so that I would have my security in shape to receive him when he arrived there. Mr. HUBERT. You think that was no later than Saturday, the 23d? Mr. DECKER. Oh, no; it wasn't. I don't think it was any later than that--no. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, as I understood you, you couldn't tell whether it was on Friday or Saturday, but it could not have been Sunday? Mr. DECKER. No; it wasn't Sunday. I remember there were different conversations on Sunday, different conversations on Saturday and different conversations on Saturday night. Mr. HUBERT. Well, now, perhaps if you can, you can tell us about these various conversations, if you remember them--who they were with and about what time?