Mr. McMILLON. I don’t recall who they were. You are speaking of the third floor? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, yes. Mr. McMILLON. I don’t recall who they were. I would have known most of those men, but I recall seeing some that I recognized. Right now, I don’t recall who they were, but I remember seeing them and recognizing them. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember who you went down on the elevator with? Mr. McMILLON. I believe most of them were the men from my office and some more, the best I remember. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember if you went down with men from the other bureaus? Mr. McMILLON. Yes; there probably were some detectives from the other bureaus. I don’t recall who they were now. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Now, was there anybody in charge of this general movement going downstairs, was there one man going around rounding everybody up? Mr. McMILLON. I don’t know. I felt like I was under the supervision of Lieutenant Smart until I later learned that there was a man ranking to him down there who was giving orders. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you got downstairs, where did you go? Mr. McMILLON. From the--I got off of the elevator and walked straight through two swinging doors and just outside of the jail office. Mr. GRIFFIN. So you were between the swinging doors and the ramp? Mr. McMILLON. Right. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, were all of the police officers sort of out there waiting or were they spread out on both sides of those swinging doors? Mr. McMILLON. Well, we later had spread out on both sides of the doors. Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, at the time that you came down, was there a general meeting held outside of the swinging doors? Mr. McMILLON. There seemed to be to me, and a few minutes later, Captain Jones told us what he wanted done. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. But when you congregated outside of those swinging doors, it was everybody sort of milling around, nobody giving instructions? Mr. McMILLON. It was right at first. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you see W. J. Harrison down there when you were outside of the swinging doors? Mr. McMILLON. At what point? Mr. GRIFFIN. At that point. Mr. McMILLON. I don’t recall if I saw him at that point or not, but I saw him down there. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall anybody that you saw down there as you congregated? Mr. McMILLON. When we first arrived down there? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. Mr. McMILLON. I don’t know who all was down there. I know we were from the auto theft bureau. I recall Captain Jones being there. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, from the time that you got down there and taking the time that you were milling around in front of the swinging doors, how long was it from then until Lee Oswald was brought down? Mr. McMILLON. I would say about 20 minutes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Had the armored car been brought in? Mr. McMILLON. I have to assume that the armored car was in the position that it was, since I have since learned what I have. As I recall, I never did see the armored car.