Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. What is your view of their relationship? Mr. CRAFARD. My personal opinion is the fact that there was no relationship between the two due to the fact, mostly because of the fact that they did not show the general affection towards each other that two men in this type of relationship would tend to show. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any questions you would like to ask on that topic, Mr. Hubert? Mr. HUBERT. Yesterday, you gave us the opinion that you thought both Ruby and Senator were possibly homosexuals. Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I did. Mr. HUBERT. But your point now is that they might be, but that you didn’t perceive anything that would indicate that they practiced homosexuality between themselves? Mr. CRAFARD. That is right. There was, to my opinion, they were both—appeared to me to have a homosexual tendency of sorts, but showed no—but it showed no signs that there was a relationship between the two of them in this way. Mr. HUBERT. All right. Mr. GRIFFIN. I think we also discussed whether or not you believed that Jack Ruby was capable of engaging in activities which he would keep secret from other people. Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you tell us now what your view is about his ability, whether he is the kind of person that could have engaged in that activity? Mr. CRAFARD. From what I knew of his background and what I know of him, I would say definitely that he is the type of person that could engage in an activity of any type without anyone else having any knowledge of it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Mr. Hubert, do you want to ask any questions on that? Mr. HUBERT. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. We also discussed at lunch whether or not there—you have any recollection of any connection between Ruby and Oswald, and you mentioned to me a statement that you heard made at one time. Would you tell us what that was? Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was the one I made just as we got out of the car. Mr. GRIFFIN. That is right. Mr. CRAFARD. If I recall the words, I said, I told you that I believe that before I left Dallas I had heard someone state that Oswald had been in the Carousel Club on at least one previous occasion, that I wasn’t positive who had made the statement, that I believed that it was made before I left Dallas. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you indicate to me you had some idea? Mr. CRAFARD. I thought it had been Andrew. Mr. GRIFFIN. By that, you mean Andy Armstrong? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. You say before you left Dallas? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. What do you mean, before you left Dallas the last time? Mr. CRAFARD. Before I left Dallas after the assassination. Mr. HUBERT. You mean before you left Dallas on November 23? Mr. CRAFARD. Yes. It seems to me that something had been said about Oswald being in the club, and I figured that probably it had been Andrew who said this because I had talked to him—been with him—more than I had been with anybody else on that day. Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen Andrew since?