Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Carbonaro. He is the guy who used to ship my merchandise for me when I was in business for myself. 811 East 242d Street, Bronx 70, N.Y. Mr. GRIFFIN. What was his connection with the shipping? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He bought my merchandise for me and he shipped it to me for my customers. You see New York is the ribbon market of the world. You can’t get the stuff anywhere else than in New York, certain items, and Frankie took care of those things for me. I paid him a commission on every order. That is how it worked out. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about the Morris Paper Mill Co., did you have some dealings with them? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; all the time. I buy paper boxes from them, Morris, Ill., florist boxes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall anything else that Jack called you about before November 22 of last year? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. If you would give me an inkling I will give you an answer. I won’t lie to you because I have nothing to hide. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever call you about Eva? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I think he was having a little trouble with Eva, I think. She was sick. Yes. Eva was sick and going for an operation, so I mailed her a check for $100, make her feel better. I mailed it to the club. So Jack would give it to Eva so she would have $100 to help her with the operation. That was it, and he loved me for it. He said that was wonderful. He said, she hasn’t been up here for many years and she thought that we had completely ignored her. So he thought by doing that she felt closer to the family, that we were thinking of her. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever talk to you about Eva? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Always, always. Mr. GRIFFIN. But I mean---- Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Whenever he called. Mr. GRIFFIN. Last fall, did he ever make any special telephone calls about her? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I can’t think of anything special. Mr. GRIFFIN. Let’s focus again on the twistboard. Was Jack planning to manufacture the twistboard? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No; somebody down there was making it for him. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know of any other people he talked to about the twistboard in connection with promoting it? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He was going to call some other people. I don’t remember who the names were. I wasn’t too much concerned because frankly, I do not have enough time to donate to an item that is not relating to my business because when you walk into a department store, you can be tied up for 2 solid hours selling something to a buyer if you find him, and 2 hours a day is a lot of my time when I am on the road trying to call on my own customers. So, therefore, I wasn’t too much interested, that is my answer. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack mention to you the names of any other people who were associated with him in the twistboard?