Mr. GRIFFIN. Less than that. Why don’t you take an opportunity now to tell us what you would like to tell us that I haven’t covered in the questioning. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. May I add how a person can possibly shoot a guy like Oswald, may I give you an example? Mr. GRIFFIN. Certainly. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. A player is sitting on the football bench, a sub. A man on the opposite team is running with the ball. The player gets off the bench and tackles the guy with the ball. What do you call the instinct, compulsion. That is the same situation with Jack. How do you account for it. You don’t know. He had no business getting off that bench. He is not even playing in the game any more than Jack had any business being in that station. That is my answer why Jack did it. May I add this? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. That police department is using Jack as a scapegoat for their mistakes. Anything--they have nobody else to blame it on, Jack Ruby. “You were responsible for the whole deal.” They are blaming everything on him, and that is one of the reasons why these policemen lied to save their own skins. Mr. GRIFFIN. Which policemen? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. All five that testified. Jack never said those things. He told me he never said those things about going to shoot him three times. No man tells you he is going to shoot a person three times. And then about him saying that the Jews are cowards and he stuck up for the Jews. Jack is not that type of a guy because he doesn’t talk about those things. Sure he is a Jew but you don’t go out telling the world about it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall the things that Jack specifically denied when he talked to you about those policemen’s testimony? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us which ones they were? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. All of them. He said--Jack did not talk to any of the policemen at all. He said he didn’t say anything like that at all to them. He don’t even recall mentioning anything that those five policemen testified that he talked to them about, anything like that. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he mention those specific things or did he just talk generally about it? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Just generally. Mr. GRIFFIN. So when you mentioned, for example, you said something about the Jewish motivation or whatever it was. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; I don’t think Jack would talk like that to a businessman. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack mention that particular topic to you? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No, no, no. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about the shooting the three times, did he mention that particular incident? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No: but he said he would never discuss those things in general. Mr. GRIFFIN. Go ahead.