5. _The papal charge._ That prelates do not dare proceed against usurers, because of an imperial edict. _The emperor's answer._ The emperor has published a new general law against usurers, in accordance with which they are condemned, and action may be brought against all their possessions. And this law is read before all prelates, and they are not prevented by it from proceeding against usurers. 6. _The papal charge._ That clergymen are seized, imprisoned, proscribed, and killed. _The emperor's answer._ He knows nothing about any clergymen who have been seized and imprisoned, except that some have been condemned by the decision of prelates, according to their crimes. These have been surrendered to the imperial officials who have seized them. He knows nothing about clergymen who have been proscribed except that some have been charged with the crime of _lèse majesté_ and have been proscribed from the kingdom. He knows nothing about any clergymen who have been slain except those who were slain by other clergymen. The church of Venusa is mourning the death of its prelate who was killed by one of his monks. In the church of San Vincenzo one monk killed another. But the monks and the clergy commit such crimes with impunity, and it is the fault of the church that they escape all canonical punishment. 7. _The papal charge._ Churches which are consecrated to the Lord are profaned and destroyed. _The emperor's answer._ He knows nothing of such churches, unless the pope means the church of Luceria; but it is said to have fallen down of itself because of its great age. And the emperor will not only permit it to be rebuilt, but he will give a good sum to the bishop for its reconstruction. 8. _The papal charge._ That he does not permit the church of Sorana to be rebuilt. _The emperor's answer._ He will permit the church of Sorana to be rebuilt, but not the town. It shall not be rebuilt as long as he lives, because it was destroyed in accordance with a legal decision.