There was something grand and heroic--almost sublime--about this man's talk at times, and I only reproduce it here very faintly. He knew I was seeking official facts, and doubtless unburdened his whole soul to me. He had had unusual opportunities for observation; he seemed to be well-informed; and certainly was thoroughly honest. Further than this, I cannot vouch for him, but report the conversation substantially as it occurred, from notes made the same evening. I must, however, do him the justice to add, that his views in the main were everywhere corroborated by almost all the Federal officers I met--both civil and military--as well as the vast majority of Gentile settlers, throughout all that region. Such were the views of Judge----; and subsequent events there, it must be confessed, have pretty well illustrated them. FOOTNOTES: [10] Senator Wade's Bill (1867) met the Utah Question somewhat like this, and I suspect Judge ---- had a finger in it. So, Senator Cragin's Bill subsequently, and others since. The present imbroglio in Utah hinges on this Jury Question, more than anything else, and Congress ought to settle it speedily, on a just and right basis. Judge McKean may be in the wrong technically; but substantially, he is fighting for truth and justice, and if he lacks the necessary weapons, should be furnished them. This is what Senator Frelinghuysen's Bill, now pending, (1874) proposes well to do. [11] He was originally from Pennsylvania. CHAPTER XII. MORMONISM IN GENERAL.