Mr. CHANEY. I do not think there is much doubt that that lithographic process would not be included in merely a pictorial illustration. Mr. MALCOMSON. Or in a print. Mr. CHANEY. Or in a print, either. Mr. MALCOMSON. It might possibly be in a print; but a print might be construed by the courts to be something in which type and ink, or a plate and ink, is used. The CHAIRMAN. Was this matter taken up at the conferences? Mr. MALCOMSON. I do not know. I was not present when it was specifically discussed. I was present at one of the conferences, but not when this was specifically discussed. I have always urged upon the Copyright Office, with whom I have colabored in this matter, that it should be included. And I am now here to stand up for it. I shall ask leave to be heard again on this, in view of the fact that Mr. Putnam states that he wishes to discuss it with the parties who drew the bill. I ask to be heard again at some subsequent hearing. I pass on now to page 8, and the next suggestion that I have to make is in line 21 on that page. We know from what I have said, or we have an idea of what a lithographic process is. In this section, which is on page 8, is the restriction in relation to the printing of books or of lithographs, which are copyrighted in this country, in a foreign country and importing them here. That applies to this case. In Germany they can do this kind of work and beat us out of our boots. We can not compete with them at all in that line of work. To such an extent is that so that to-day the pictures of our Capitol, the pictures of all prominent buildings in our cities, are printed on postcards, and you will find on these cards a little statement, if you look at it, "Made in Germany." That is so throughout our cities. They are not copyrighted, of course. If they were copyrighted they would have a protection which they do not now have; but that is the fact. In this section 13, on page 8, to which I am referring, there is a provision that where the book is copyrighted the type shall be set up in the United States and the book shall be printed in the United States. I will read section 13, so that we can comprehend it [reading]: SEC. 13. That of a printed book or periodical the text of the copies deposited under section 11, above, shall be printed from type set within the limits of the United States, either by hand or by the aid of any kind of typesetting machine, or from plates made from type set within the limits of the United States; or if the text be produced by lithographic process, then by a process wholly performed within the limits of the United States; which requirements shall extend also to the illustrations produced by lithographic process within a printed book consisting of text and illustrations, and also to separate lithographs----