"Q. 5. Is it your actual observation that the demand for the sheet music is created and stimulated so that the sale thereof is increased by having the musical compositions played by the piano players and other self-playing instruments, and that the cutting of the perforated rolls for a given musical composition and the selling of such rolls with and for the piano players does increase the demand for the sheet music?--A. As I am not in the sheet business on such a scale that I could judge to what extent it has increased, I still claim, from knowing the amount of music sold in the United States to-day, especially in the popular composition line, it is stimulated by all self-playing devices. For example, I would sit at a piano player and play a catchy melody; six or eight people standing around me will immediately ask--or some of them will--'What is this tune you are playing?' and I know from personal knowledge that many copies, especially of my own compositions, which are cut for self-players, have been bought in sheet-music form on account of my playing them on the machine. "Redirect: "Q. 22. I inferred from your statements in that regard that you received usually what you regard as very small compensation or price for a great many of your compositions thus sold. Will you give some instances of this sort, illustrating the disparity between the price you received and the popularity, in sales, of the pieces respectively?--A. My first great success, 'Careless Elegance," which I published on royalty twenty-eight years ago, and which is still selling to-day, netted me $11. My great song, 'Who Will Buy My Roses Red?' which sold 100,000 copies, netted me $83. My great composition, 'The World's Exposition March,' $5. 'The Cadet Two-step' (50,000 copies sold), $4. And so I may go on ad infinitum. Out of 1,500 compositions I have probably earned $5,000." "PETER C. LUTKIN, witness called on behalf of the defendant, being duly sworn, testified as follows: "Q. 4. Have you in mind the rate of growth in respect to pupils in attendance in the school of music for which you are dean, for five or six years back; and if so, will you kindly give us the facts in general?--A. I have the statistics for the past five years. The attendance in the school of music for the year 1898-99 was 248; for the next year, 297; the next, 348; for the next, 366; for the present year, 460. The figures for the present year are an underestimate rather than an overestimate, as the year is not yet closed; actual number is 453 to date, but will probably run to 475. "No cross examination." "JULIUS W. PETERS, a witness called on behalf of the defendant company, being sworn, deposes and testifies as follows: "Direct examination by Mr. BURTON: