MR. SUMNER. Very well; and I intend, to the best of my ability, to see that under the institutions of the country he is equal everywhere. The Senator says he is equal in this Chamber. I say he should be equal in rights everywhere; and why not, I ask the Senator from Georgia? MR. HILL. … I am one of those who have believed, that, when it pleased the Creator of heaven and earth to make different races of men, it was His purpose to keep them distinct and separate. I think so now.… MR. SUMNER. The Senator admits that in the highest council-chamber there is, and should be, perfect equality before the law; but descend into the hotel, on the railroad, within the common school, and there can be no equality before the law. The Senator does not complain because all are equal in this Chamber. I should like to ask him, if he will allow me, whether, in his judgment, the colored Representatives from Georgia and South Carolina in the other Chamber ought not on railroads and at hotels to have like rights with himself? I ask that precise question. MR. HILL. I will answer that question in this manner: I myself am subject in hotels and upon railroads to the regulations provided by the hotel proprietors for their guests, and by the railroad companies for their passengers. I am entitled, and so is the colored man, to all the security and comfort that either presents to the most favored guest or passenger; but I maintain that proximity to a colored man does not increase my comfort or security, nor does proximity to me on his part increase his, and therefore it is not a denial of any right in either case. MR. SUMNER. May I ask the Senator if he is excluded from any right on account of his color? The Senator says he is sometimes excluded from something at hotels or on railroads. I ask whether any exclusion on account of color bears on him? MR. HILL. I answer the Senator. I have been excluded from ladies’ cars on railroads. I do not know on what account precisely; I do not know whether it was on account of my color; but I think it more likely that it was on account of my sex. [_Laughter._] MR. SUMNER. But the Senator, as I understand, insists that it is proper on account of color. That is his conclusion. MR. HILL. No; I insist that it is no denial of a right, provided all the comfort and security be furnished to passengers alike.