DR. LASCHE: was of the opinion that all the authority needed is given by G.O. 27 of the Veterans’ Bureau, which gives the medical officer in charge considerable authority to enforce discipline; that the average patient, however, chafes under the word “discipline”; that the gentlemen from the Army and Navy have referred to the advantages of discipline. He stated that he was on a discharge board for soldiers after they came home from Europe and frequently heard them say: “Well, by Jove, we are away from this —— discipline now;” that with all due respect to discipline that is necessary in Army and Navy organizations, he does not believe that the same degree of discipline is necessary after these men become beneficiaries of the Veterans’ Bureau; that in a year’s time he has only had to apply the provisions of G.O. 27 on one patient who was A.W.O.L. three times for the period of twenty-four hours or more within thirty days; that he finally discharged this man, who, however, subsequently applied for readmission and was successful in obtaining it within two weeks and all the patients at the institution know that this man got back after he was discharged. With reference to the question of Dr. Guthrie as to whether a layman would serve successfully, Dr. Lasche was of opinion that the layman is the only desirable person, as the medical man’s function is exclusively to determine the vocational disability and after this is determined all the other matters should be left to a layman, as they are more or less in the nature of an investigation and a layman who is properly selected would be much better able to run down and ferret out such matters; that it is important, however, to select a man for this particular function who has shown an adaptability for research along these lines, and, some of the men who have been in charge of vocational centers do not possess the requisite qualifications to decide as to visibility or eligibility in the matter of vocational training.