That fiords are simply submerged land-valleys has long been recognised: that they have been formed mainly by the action of running water--just in the same way as the mountain-valleys of Norway and Scotland--has been the belief for many years of most students of physical geology. But it is hard to understand why they should have been cited by Mr. Upham in support of his contention, seeing that their evidence seems to militate strongly against the very hypothesis he strives to maintain. No one acquainted with the physical features and geological structure of Scotland and Norway can doubt that the valleys which terminate in fiords are of great geological antiquity. Their excavation by fluviatile action certainly dates back to a period long anterior to the advent of the Ice Age. And a like tale is told by the fiords and drowned valley-troughs of North America, which cannot be referred to so recent a period as post-Tertiary times. Those who are convinced that our continental areas have persisted throughout long æons of geological time, and that rivers frequently have survived great geological revolutions--cutting their way across mountain-elevations as fast as these were uplifted--will readily believe that some of the submarine river-troughs of North America, such as that of the Hudson, may belong even to Secondary times.[BX] It would be hard to say at what particular date the excavation of the Scottish Highland valleys commenced--but it was probably during the later part of the Palæozoic era. The process has doubtless been retarded and accelerated frequently enough, during successive movements of depression and elevation, but it was practically completed before the beginning of Pleistocene times, and that is all that we may trouble about here. Precisely the same conclusion holds good for Norway: and such being the case it is obvious that the question of the origin and age of the fiords has no bearing on the problem of the glacial climate and its cause. In point of fact the evidence, as already remarked, tells against the "earth-movement hypothesis," for it shows us that, during a period when Europe and North America stood several thousand feet higher, and extended much further seawards, rivers, and not glaciers, were the occupants of our mountain-valleys. It was not until all those valleys had come to assume much the appearance they now present that general glaciation supervened. [BX] Professor Dana inclines to date the erosion of the Hudson trough so far back as the Jura-Trias period.--_American Journ. Science_, xl., p. 435.