William Law said he had been informed that some of the policemen had had another oath administered besides the one administered to them publicly: that one of them said there was a Judas in General Smith's cabinet,--one who stood next to him; and he must be taken care of, and that he must not be allowed to go into the world, but must be taken care of; and he was not only a dough-head and a traitor like Judas, but an assassin like Brutus: that the idea had been advanced that the scriptures support such a doctrine. _Alderman Harris._ Who is the person? and who told you? _Law._ I am under obligations _not_ to tell. _Alderman Harris._ That is immaterial. You are bound to disclose the whole truth here by virtue of your oath. _Law._ I am afraid to tell. One oath is as good as another. The Mayor said he would protect him. He was bound to tell. _Law._ Eli Norton told me. _Alderman Harris_. Was Eli Norton of the police? _Law._ No; but he got his information from Daniel Carn, who is a policeman. The marshal was sent to bring Eli Norton. The mayor said to the police--"On conditions I have had no private conversation with any of you, rise up and change the breech of your gun upwards," when all arose and changed the positions of their guns as indicated. Counselor Hyrum Smith considered the matter very alarming when he heard it. He referred to Dr. Sampson Avard's and John Carl's treachery and false swearing in Missouri, and rehearsed what was said by the mayor to the police in the former council. {164} The mayor said, "The reason why I made the remarks I did was on account of the reports brought from Missouri jail by O. P. Rockwell, that my enemies were determined to get me into their power and take my life, and thereby thought they would accomplish the overthrow of 'Mormonism.' And to enable them to effect this, they had secured the services of some of my most confidential friends, whom I did not suspect, and who were living in Nauvoo, to deliver me into their hands so that their religious organizations upon their own principles might stand; for they feared that 'Mormonism' would destroy their present religious creeds, organizations, and orthodox systems. They did not design to try me, but hang me, or take my life anyhow: that they had a man in our midst who would fix me out, if they could not get me into their power without." He then referred to his remarks at the previous council. Minutes of last council being called for, were then read. Eli Norton sworn. _Question by the Mayor_ Did Carn say I had administered a private oath?