That separate chambers are needed for grown-up children, _BECAUSE_ the parents sleep in the hall, is no strong argument. If the parents had a separate chamber, the young people, unless they slept in the hall, would still need their own. The girls, of course, could not sleep in the hall; and, in the absence of both Penelope and Odysseus from the hall, ever since Telemachus was a baby, Telemachus could have slept there. But it will be replied that the Wooers did not beset the hall, and Penelope did not retire to a separate chamber, till Telemachus was a big boy of sixteen. Noack argues that he had a separate chamber, though the hall was free, _tradition_. [Footnote: Noack, p. 49.] Where does Noack think that, in a normal Homeric house, the girls of the family slept? _They_ could not sleep in the hall, and on the two occasions when the _Iliad_ has to mention the chambers of the young ladies they are "upper chambers," as is natural. But as Noack wants to prove the house of Odysseus, with its upper chambers, to be a late peculiar house, he, of course, expunges the two mentions of girls' upper chambers in the _Odyssey_. The process is simple and easy. We find (_Iliad_, XVII. 36) that a son, wedding in his father's and mother's life-time, has a _thalamos_ built for him, and a _muchos_ in the _THALAMOS_, where he leaves his wife when he goes to war. This dwelling of grown-up married children, as in the case of the sons of Priam, has a _thalamos_, or _doma_, and a courtyard--is a house, in fact (_Iliad_, VI. 3 16). Here we seem to distinguish the bed-chamber from the _doma_, which is the hall. Noack objects that when Odysseus fumigates his house, after slaying the Wooers, he thus treats the _megaron_, _AND_ the _doma_, _AND_ the courtyard. Therefore, Noack argues, the _megaron_, or hall, is one thing; the _doma_ is another. Mr. Monro writes, "_doma_ usually means _megaron_," and he supposes a slip from another reading, _thalamon_ for _megaron_, which is not satisfactory. But if _doma_ here be not equivalent to _megaron_, what room can it possibly be? Who was killed in another place? what place therefore needed purification except the hall and courtyard? No other places needed purifying; there is therefore clearly a defect in the lines which cannot be used in the argument. Noack, in any case, maintains that Paris has but one place to live in by day and to sleep in by night--his [Greek: talamos]. There he sleeps, eats, and polishes his weapons and armour. There Hector finds him looking to his gear; Helen and the maids are all there (_Iliad,_ VI. 321-323). Is this quite certain? Are Helen and the maids in the [Greek: talamos], where Paris is polishing his corslet and looking to his bow, or in an adjacent room? If not in another room, why, when Hector is in the room talking to Paris, does Helen ask him to "come in"? (_Iliad,_ VI. 354). He is in, is there another room whence she can hear him? The minuteness of these inquiries is tedious!