That which I have related of a _Swede_ is not much different from what I have to say of an English or Scottish man, I know not well which; but I am a very fit person to relate the Story, for I was present at the dispute which he had with a French Bishop: which was thus: This Stranger had been two years in _Rome_, in which time he had had divers occasions of being known to the _Pope_ and his Nephews, as likewise of knowing them; and had been infinitely scandalized to see the small care the _Pope_ did take to correct his Nephews extravagancies both in Morals and Polities: But above all, he was much grieved to see that the _Pope_ had taken out of the Treasure of the Church the richest Jewels to bestow them upon his Nephews; and that they made no scruple of robbing the Church to enrich themselves. Having met in _France_ with this French Bishop, they fell upon the discourse of Religion. The Bishop perceiving the ill impressions he had received at _Rome_, thought it was a part of his duty to endeavour to blot them out of this Gentleman’s mind, by telling him, _That it was impossible to be saved out of the Church of_ Rome. But all that he could say was to no purpose, for the Protestant could scarce afford him audience, but impatiently interrupting him, told him, _That it was a hard matter that the_ Pope _could save others_, _since he did give his own Nephews a most inevitable occasion of damnation_. Every day the Casuists are disputing, _whether or no a Thief may be saved without restitution of his theft if he be in a possibility to do it_? And they all agree, that he must either make amends by restitution, or be damned. If this be so, how is it possible for the _Pope’s_ Nephews, if the greatest part of their Revenues are the spoils of the Church, and got by unlawful means, the _Popes_ having raised that very money, which they are so proud of, either out of dead mens graves, or the veines of the living. Though this be true, and that the mischief, which the _Popes_ receive from their Kindred be very great; yet it is a necessary one, and so necessary, that many are of opinion, that those _Popes_ who do forbear advancing their Relations are but small Politicians. Three Reasons do particularly move the _Popes_ to call their Relations to them: First, The affection which naturally we bear to our bloud and kindred, The conservation of their Persons, and the Policy of their Government. For the first, I hold him little better than a Beast, that has no tye of Consanguinity upon him, having many Relations that need his help; none but barbarous people are ignorant of those Laws of nature, and are not altogether deprived of the use of them neither.