Mr. MOULDER. We don’t expect you to be specific as to the exact date. That is immaterial. Mr. CARLSON. Let me answer that by making probably a comparison with somebody else. I think we are all acquainted with Senator Morse’s record in Oregon. He was once a Republican, and he has turned Democrat. I don’t think there is any specific time in his mind that he ever turned from a Republican to a Democrat. It probably took over a period of time. And that, I believe, Mr. Chairman, could be applied to me. (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARLSON. As a specific time, at the time the Korean war started I certainly didn’t approve of that war starting by anybody. And I might say, likewise, that I didn’t approve of our participation in it either. That is my conviction, sir. Mr. MOULDER. Referring to the Communist Party, it has been decided by the courts that it is not a political party as such; that it is really an international conspiracy. And, therefore, your comparison or reference to the Democratic Party or the Republican Party has no application in comparison to the Communist Party, because it is not, in fact, a political party. (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. MOULDER. Has your philosophy and your opinion concerning the Communist Party, then, changed from what it was at one time? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARLSON. Well, Mr. Chairman, I have a definite idea of my own what things should be, and what my beliefs are. And I believe it might help you to understand what I think, if I could give you an answer here. The best thing that I could do would be to read it out of the booklet that I have. I believe that it would be helpful to both of us. Mr. MOULDER. How long is it? Mr. CARLSON. It is probably a couple of hundred words, I believe. Mr. MOULDER. What is the title of it? Mr. CARLSON. It is the preamble to our machinists’ constitution. Mr. MOULDER. Yesterday I believe you said you didn’t even know what the Communist Party stood for or what it was all about, and led us to believe that you were maybe innocently hooked into and taken into the Communist Party movement at one time, still not having any opinion toward it or approval of it. Mr. CARLSON. The popular conception of the Communist Party being a subversive organization, an organization looking for the overthrow of the Government, and so on and so forth, I can’t say that I ever believed that. And I don’t think that I know anybody that does, that I think believes that. Mr. MOULDER. Are you a married man, Mr. Carlson? Mr. CARLSON. Yes, I am. Mr. MOULDER. Do you have a family? Mr. CARLSON. Yes, sir. Mr. MOULDER. How many children do you have? Mr. CARLSON. I have two. Two grandchildren, by the way. Mr. MOULDER. Were you born in America? Mr. CARLSON. That is right. Mr. MOULDER. You are desirous, of course, for your children to enjoy the benefits of living in the greatest nation in the world? Mr. CARLSON. That is right.