Mr. MOULDER. In other words, you answer by saying that you did not engage in any espionage, but refuse to answer as to whether or not you are actively engaged in any effort to overthrow our Government by force and violence. That is the way I construe your answer. (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. HALONEN. That is correct. Mr. MOULDER. Are there any further questions? Mr. VELDE. No, but I do feel that the witness possesses a great deal of information which would be valuable to the committee in its work, in its obligations that we are duty bound to perform, and I regret the position the witness has taken. I hope he will reconsider his position and return to give the committee the information he possesses. Mr. MOULDER. The witness is excused. (Whereupon the witness was excused.) Mr. MOULDER. Counsel, proceed with the next witness. Mr. WHEELER. Mr. Eugene Frank Robel, please. Mr. MOULDER. Will you hold up your right hand and be sworn? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony which you are about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you, God? Mr. ROBEL. I do. TESTIMONY OF EUGENE FRANK ROBEL, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, JAY G. SYKES Mr. WHEELER. Will you state your name, please. Mr. ROBEL. E-u-g-e-n-e F-r-a-n-k R-o-b-e-l, Eugene Frank Robel. Mr. WHEELER. When and where were you born, Mr. Robel? Mr. ROBEL. I was born in Kit Carson County, Colo., on a homestead. Mr. WHEELER. In what year? Mr. ROBEL. 1911. Mr. WHEELER. You are represented by counsel. Will he please identify himself for the record? Mr. SYKES. Jay G. Sykes, Seattle. Mr. WHEELER. Would you briefly advise the committee as to your education? Mr. ROBEL. I have a high-school education and 2 years of university. Mr. WHEELER. What university is that? Mr. ROBEL. Moscow, Idaho--not Russia. Mr. WHEELER. The University of Idaho? Mr. ROBEL. Yes, sir. Mr. WHEELER. How long have you lived in the city of Seattle? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. ROBEL. I came here the latter part of 1937, I believe. I have been here since. Mr. WHEELER. Have you ever served in the Armed Forces of the United States? Mr. ROBEL. Yes, sir. Mr. WHEELER. In what branch? Mr. ROBEL. United States Navy. Mr. WHEELER. At what period of time were you in the United States Navy? Mr. ROBEL. From 1933 to 1937. Mr. WHEELER. Were you honorably discharged? Mr. ROBEL. Yes, sir. I had a good-conduct discharge. I have the medal at home. Mr. WHEELER. What is your employment record for the last 10 years? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. ROBEL. I worked for an oil company for my first 4 years in Seattle, General Petroleum Corp. Mr. WHEELER. That would be 1937 to 1941? Mr. ROBEL. I think that is approximately the figures. Then I worked as a machinist at various jobs. Mr. WHEELER. Specifically, what jobs have you held as a machinist? Mr. ROBEL. Mostly outside machinist, but at times maintenance.