I very much regret to say that I do feel you are engaged at the present time in activities which are harmful to the preservation of our constitutional form of government. Mr. MOULDER. May I ask did you ever answer the question as to where you were now employed? Was that question ever answered? Mr. WHEELER. No. Mr. MOULDER. Then I ask you that question. Where are you now employed? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. LAWRIE. I am employed at the present time by the Weyerhauser Timber Co. Mr. MOULDER. The witness is excused. (Whereupon the witness was excused.) Mr. MOULDER. Call the next witness. Mr. WHEELER. Edward Brook Carmichael. Mr. MOULDER. Hold up your right hand and be sworn. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony which you are about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you, God? Mr. CARMICHAEL. I do. TESTIMONY OF EDWARD BROOK CARMICHAEL, JR., ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, SARAH H. LESSER Mr. WHEELER. Will the witness state his full name, please? Mr. CARMICHAEL. Edward Brook Carmichael, Jr. Mr. WHEELER. And where do you reside, Mr. Carmichael? Mr. CARMICHAEL. At Monroe. Mr. WHEELER. Monroe, Wash.? Mr. CARMICHAEL. Monroe, Wash. Mr. WHEELER. Where were you born and when? Mr. CARMICHAEL. In Washington. Mr. WHEELER. What date? Mr. CARMICHAEL. 1917. Mr. MOULDER. Are you represented by counsel who appears now before the committee? Mr. CARMICHAEL. Yes. Mr. MOULDER. Would your attorney please state her name? Miss LESSER. My name is Sarah H. Lesser, and I am a member of the Seattle bar. Mr. WHEELER. Where are you presently employed? Mr. CARMICHAEL. Washington State Reformatory at Monroe. Mr. WHEELER. What is your position there? Mr. CARMICHAEL. Supervisory cook. Mr. WHEELER. How long have you been so employed? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. Four years. Mr. WHEELER. Would you advise the committee of your educational background? Mr. CARMICHAEL. High-school graduate. Mr. WHEELER. Of what school, please? Mr. CARMICHAEL. Sultan Union High School. Mr. WHEELER. How were you employed prior to your employment by the Washington State Reformatory at Monroe? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. By the privilege granted me under the fifth amendment, I decline to answer that question. Mr. WHEELER. On all employment prior to the time you went to work with the State or for the State of Washington? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. For the same reason, I decline to answer. Mr. WHEELER. In what year did you graduate from high school? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. 1935. Mr. WHEELER. You are pleading the fifth amendment on the question of all employment from 1935 to 1951? Am I correct in that? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. That is correct. Mr. WHEELER. Have you traveled outside of the United States?