(The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. I decline to answer for the same reason. Mr. WHEELER. Also that you have been a member of the Communist Party in this area, and a functionary on many occasions for the past 18 years. Is that correct? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. I decline to answer for the same reason. Mr. WHEELER. When you became employed by the State of Washington did you sign a loyalty oath of any kind? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. I decline to answer for the same reason. Mr. WHEELER. Mr. Chairman, I have no further questions. Mr. MOULDER. Any questions, Mr. Velde? Mr. VELDE. You have declined to answer whether or not you were a member of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. Is that right? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. I declined to answer for the same reason. Mr. VELDE. Did you ever know Steve Nelson? Steve Nelson, for your information, was a member of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and one of the Communist Party organizers from Alameda County, Calif. Mr. CARMICHAEL. I decline to answer for the same reasons. Mr. VELDE. Are you now a member of the Communist Party? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARMICHAEL. I decline to answer for the same reason. Mr. VELDE. No further questions. Mr. MOULDER. The witness will be excused. (Whereupon the witness was excused.) Call the next witness, Mr. Wheeler. Mr. WHEELER. Mr. Ed Carlson, please. Mr. CARLSON. Mr. Chairman, because I do have quite a headache, and it bothers me very badly, I wish to refrain from those snapping pictures. Mr. MOULDER. The photographers will not take pictures while he is testifying. Hold up your right hand and be sworn. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony which you are about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. CARLSON. I do. TESTIMONY OF EDWIN A. CARLSON, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, JAY G. SYKES Mr. WHEELER. Will you state your full name. Mr. CARLSON. Edwin A. Carlson. Mr. WHEELER. I see you are represented by counsel. Will counsel identify himself for the record? Mr. SYKES. Jay G. Sykes. Mr. WHEELER. When and where were you born, Mr. Carlson? Mr. CARLSON. I was born in Grantsburg, Wis., 1909. Mr. WHEELER. How long have you lived in the State of Washington? Mr. CARLSON. Since 1940. Mr. WHEELER. And where did you live prior to 1940? Mr. CARLSON. At Cloverton, Minn. Mr. WHEELER. And what is your occupation? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. CARLSON. I am a machinist. Mr. WHEELER. Being a machinist, are you affiliated with any union, or are you a member of any union? Mr. CARLSON. Because the answer to that question may tend to incriminate me, I invoke the fifth amendment of the United States Constitution, and refuse to answer it. Mr. WHEELER. Is it not true that you are it member of the machinists union, A. F. of L.?