Mr. MOULDER. We will have order in the hearing room. Mr. HATTEN. Will you please not take any pictures? Mr. MOULDER. Mr. Hatten. Mr. HATTEN. I would like to request, Mr. Freyd does not like to have his picture taken in the hearing room. Would you so direct the photographers? Mr. MOULDER. Very well. The photographers will please refrain from taking pictures of the witness approaching the witness stand. Hold up your right hand and be sworn, please. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony which you are about to give before this congressional committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you, God? Mr. FREYD. I do. TESTIMONY OF BERNARD FREYD, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, C. T. HATTEN Mr. TAVENNER. What is your name? Mr. FREYD. Bernard Freyd--F-r-e-y-d. Mr. TAVENNER. It is noted you are accompanied by counsel. Will counsel identify himself for the record? Mr. HATTEN. My name is C. T. Hatten. I am an attorney residing in Seattle. Mr. TAVENNER. When and where were you born, Mr. Freyd? Mr. FREYD. I was born in Seattle in 1893. Mr. TAVENNER. What is your occupation? Mr. FREYD. I am not employed by anyone. Mr. TAVENNER. Will you tell the committee, briefly, what your formal educational training has been. Mr. FREED. I went through the public-school system, high school of this city, and University of Washington. Mr. TAVENNER. When did you complete your educational training at the University of Washington? Mr. FREYD. It was about the year 1930. Mr. TAVENNER. Will you tell the committee, please, how you have been employed since 1935? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. FREYD. I had no regular employment until the outbreak of the war, and I worked in various war plants until I was incapacitated by an accident in 1943. Mr. TAVENNER. What was your business between 1930 and the outbreak of the war? Mr. FREYD. Well, I was unemployed. Mr. TAVENNER. During that entire period of time? Mr. FREYD. Practically, as I recollect. Mr. TAVENNER. Were you engaged in any work of any kind during that period? Mr. FREYD. Well, there was no work available that I could find. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you mean you were unemployed until 1941, December 1941? Mr. FREYD. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. Where did you live in 1940? Mr. FREYD. I lived in Seattle. Mr. TAVENNER. Did you engage in any work without remuneration? Mr. FREYD. No. Mr. TAVENNER. During the period from 1935 to 1940? Mr. FREYD. No. Mr. TAVENNER. Were you connected with the Civil Rights Congress? Mr. FREYD. I think I should invoke the fifth amendment on that question as I feel that it may tend to incriminate me. Mr. MOULDER. To clarify the response, do you decline to answer by invoking the fifth amendment of the Constitution, or do you refuse to answer for fear it will tend to incriminate you? Mr. FREYD. And also the first amendment, which guarantees freedom of speech and of the press and the right of people to assemble peaceably.