Mr. MOULDER. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony which you are about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. DELANEY. I do. TESTIMONY OF PAUL WILLIAM DELANEY, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, RICHARD L. GEMSON Mr. WHEELER. Will the witness state his full name, please. Mr. DELANEY. Paul William Delaney. Mr. WHEELER. Will you spell the last name? Mr. DELANEY. D-e-l-a-n-e-y. Mr. WHEELER. When and where were you born, Mr. Delaney? Mr. MOULDER. May I ask, Mr. Delaney, are you represented by counsel? Mr. DELANEY. Yes; I am. Mr. MOULDER. Will counsel identify himself? Mr. GEMSON. R. L. Gemson. I am a practicing attorney here in Seattle. Mr. MOULDER. Proceed, Mr. Wheeler. Mr. WHEELER. When and where were you born, Mr. Delaney? Mr. DELANEY. I was born in 1903 in the State of Minnesota. Mr. WHEELER. How long have you lived in Washington? Mr. DELANEY. 51 years. Mr. WHEELER. Advise the committee of your educational background, please. Mr. DELANEY. I went to school in this State: through grammar school and high school; I attended the University of Washington 2 years. I didn’t graduate. Mr. WHEELER. What 2 years was that? Mr: DELANEY. I think in the years 1923 and 1927. Mr. WHEELER. What is your present occupation? Mr. DELANEY. I am an architect. Mr. WHEELER. How long have you been so engaged? Mr. DELANEY. Well, I grew up in the construction business. I have been a licensed architect since 1950 or 1951. I can’t state accurately. Mr. WHEELER. How were you employed prior to that? Mr. DELANEY. I came to Seattle in 1941. I worked at Sims Drake Puget Sound. It was a contracting firm here. I worked with a construction company after that who built defense housing. After that I worked, the last year of the war--in my recollection--at Boeing Aircraft Co. Mr. WHEELER. When did your employment terminate with Boeing Aircraft? Mr. DELANEY. When the war was over. Mr. WHEELER. In 1945? Mr. DELANEY. Yes. Mr. WHEELER. Have you completed your employment background? Mr. DELANEY. Do you want me to bring it up to date? Mr. WHEELER. Yes. Mr. DELANEY. As soon as the war was over I went to work as an architectural draftsman. I went then with an architect by the name of Collins. I think he left in 1950 or 1951, and I have been alone since then. Mr. WHEELER. Did you ever know Barbara Hartle? Mr. DELANEY. May I confer with my attorney? Mr. WHEELER. Yes, sir? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. DELANEY. On the advice of my counsel, I must invoke the fifth amendment, on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me. Mr. MOULDER. As previously explained by the committee because your counsel advises you to take or invoke the fifth amendment that does not compel you to do so. If you prefer, you may state that you decline to answer the question on the grounds of the fifth amendment. (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. DELANEY. Yes; that is correct.