Mr. DELANEY. May I confer with my counsel? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. DELANEY. My counsel instructs me to state that I decline to answer that question on the grounds of the fifth amendment--on the ground that it might tend to incriminate me. Mr. MOULDER. The witness is excused. (Whereupon the witness was excused.) Mr. MOULDER. Counsel, proceed with the next witness. Mr. WHEELER. Mr. Jacob Bitterman. Mr. MOULDER. Will you hold up your right hand and be sworn? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony which you are about to give before this congressional committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. BITTERMAN. Yes, sir. TESTIMONY OF JACOB BITTERMAN, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, KENNETH A. MacDONALD Mr. WHEELER. Will the witness state his full name, please? Mr. BITTERMAN. Jacob Bitterman. Mr. VELDE. How do you spell the last name? Mr. BITTERMAN. B-i-t-t-e-r-m-a-n. Mr. WHEELER. Will counsel identify himself for the record? Mr. MACDONALD. Kenneth A. MacDonald, attorney at law, in Seattle. Mr. WHEELER. When and where were you born, Mr. Bitterman? Mr. BITTERMAN. I was born in Russia in 1904. Mr. WHEELER. When did you enter the United States? Mr. BITTERMAN. To the best of my knowledge, in 1906. Mr. WHEELER. How did you acquire American citizenship? Mr. BITTERMAN. Through my father’s papers. Mr. WHEELER. When you became 21 years of age? Mr. BITTERMAN. I was 12 when he became a citizen. Mr. WHEELER. How long have you lived in Seattle or in the vicinity of Seattle? Mr. BITTERMAN. I came to Seattle in 1923. Mr. WHEELER. Have you lived here continuously since that time? Mr. BITTERMAN. With the exception of 2 years, 1928 and 1929. That is, in the fall of 1928 to the fall of 1930 I lived in Aberdeen, Wash. Mr. WHEELER. What is your educational background? Mr. BITTERMAN. Well, I went to the third grade in country school. Mr. WHEELER. What has your employment record been for the last 10 years? Mr. BITTERMAN. Machinist. Mr. WHEELER. In Seattle? Mr. BITTERMAN. Yes. I have been a machinist ever since I have been in Seattle. Mr. WHEELER. Are you a member of the International Association of Machinists? Mr. BITTERMAN. Yes. I am a member of local 79. Mr. WHEELER. Have you held any offices in local 79? Mr. BITTERMAN. No, I haven’t. (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. WHEELER. During the time you lived in Seattle did you ever meet with, know, or have any conversations with Barbara Hartle? (The witness confers with his counsel.) Mr. BITTERMAN. I will invoke the fifth amendment because it might incriminate me. Mr. MOULDER. Do you decline to answer that question? Mr. BITTERMAN. I decline to answer. Mr. MOULDER. Do you decline on the grounds and on the reasons of the protection afforded to you by the provisions of the fifth amendment? Mr. BITTERMAN. Yes.