Mr. TAVENNER. Mr. O’Connell, is it not a fact that during the period that the Committee To Defeat the Mundt Bill used the offices of the National Lawyers Guild, it also used the National Lawyers Guild telephone, bearing number District 3205, to which both telegrams and telephone tolls were charged to the National Lawyers Guild? Mr. O’CONNELL. Yes; but with an understanding, as I remember, that whatever expenditure was made on the telephone or telegraph was to be paid by the National Committee To Defeat the Mundt Bill. Mr. TAVENNER. Did you reimburse the National Lawyers Guild in full? Mr. O’CONNELL. I really don’t know. I went home directly after the adjournment of Congress in September of 1950 and what disposition was made after I left of those bills and so on by Mr. Waybur, I don’t know. Mr. TAVENNER. You say you don’t know? Mr. O’CONNELL. I don’t know. As I said, my principal work was always up here on the Hill. I usually came up in the mornings about 10 o’clock or 9:30 or so and was up here until either adjournment of Congress or later, and so on, each day that I was here. Mr. TAVENNER. Did Lillian Clott perform any services for the National Lawyers Guild while you occupied its offices as chairman for the committee to defeat the Mundt bill? Mr. O’CONNELL. I can’t recall. I know Lillian Clott and all that, but I can’t recall whether she did or not. Mr. TAVENNER. What were the circumstances under which you became acquainted with Lillian Clott? Mr. O’CONNELL. As I remember, first of all her husband or ex-husband, Herman Clott, is I think legislative representative here for the International Union of Mine, Mill and Smelter Workers and I knew him and I think through him I was introduced to her. I think she later worked, if I remember correctly, with the United Electrical Workers. Mr. TAVENNER. Yes; and prior to that time didn’t she work in one of the Embassies here in Washington? Mr. O’CONNELL. I don’t know. I wouldn’t know whether she did or not. When I came here Mr. Waybur, of course, was identified with, I think he was legislative representative from the United Electrical Workers and I went there lots of times to pick up my check and she was working in the office there, and I think Senator Wheeler’s daughter was also working there, Frances Wheeler, and she introduced me to her. Mr. TAVENNER. Did she do any work at any time for the National Committee To Defeat the Mundt Bill? Mr. O’CONNELL. I don’t remember that she did. Mr. TAVENNER. Was Lillian Clott known to you to be a member of the Communist Party? Mr. O’CONNELL. I didn’t know that she was or was not.