[11] This plural, which perplexed Wadding, shows plainly that Brother Leo had spoken in the name of a group. [12] This date for the new communications between them seems incontestable, though it has never been proposed; in fact, we are only concerned to find a time when all three could have met at Rome (2 Cel., 3, 86; _Spec._, 27a), between December 22, 1216 (the approbation of the Dominicans), and August 6, 1221 (death of Dominic). Only two periods are possible: the early months of 1218 (Potthast, 5739 and 5747) and the winter of 1220-1221. At any other time one of the three was absent from Rome. On the other hand we know that Ugolini was in Rome in the winter of 1220-1221 (Huillard-Breholles, _Hist. dipl._, ii., pp. 48, 123, 142. Cf. Potthast, 6589).--For Dominic see A. SS., Aug., vol. i., p. 503. The later date is imperative because Ugolini could not offer prelatures to the Brothers Minor before their explicit approbation (June 11, 1219), and this offer had no meaning with regard to the Dominicans until after the definitive establishment of their Order. [13] See the imperial letters of February 10, 1221; Huillard-Breholles, vol. ii., pp. 122-127. [14] 2 Cel., 3, 86; Bon., 78; _Spec._, 27b. [15] Vide K. Eubel: _Die Bischoefe, Cardinaele und Paepste aus dem Minoritenorden bis_ 1305, 8vo, 1889. [16] He was in Northern Italy. Vide _Registri: Doc._, 17-28. [17] Reynerius, cardinal-deacon with the title of S. M. in Cosmedin, Bishop of Viterbo (cf. Innocent III., _Opera_, Migne, 1, col. ccxiii), 1 Cel., 125. He had been named rector of the Duchy of Spoleto, August 3, 1220. Potthast, 6319. [18] Giord, 16. The presence of Dominic at an earlier chapter had therefore been quite natural.