S. If it secure to them a right, the right is good. C. The right will not go to war. S. The right will go to war when it is right. C. Wilt thou show us, when it is right to do evil, that good may come from it. Wilt thou show us how good can come from evil, or evil from good? S. The good, which comes from the evil of war, is the maintenance of rights. C. What rights? S. The rights which are in controversy. C. What rights in controversy have ever been secured by war? S. The rights of freedom. C. When? S. The rudimental condition has secured these rights. C. When? S. When the American colonies were opposed by the mother country. C. What rights did those colonies secure by war? S. The rights of freedom. C. Those rights were not secured by war. S. Well, they were the results of war. C. Nay; but of peace. When peace was ratified, the colonies were no longer engaged in war. Thou seest not that war gave to any mind a right, because it gave different things. S. But was not that war justifiable? C. How so? S. To overcome the oppression of the mother country. C. Canst thou make one wrong justify another? S. No; but I see no wrong in that which results in good. C. Thou hast not shown that wrong ever did, or ever will, result in good. S. But I will show, that the American colonies would never have been free without it. C. Thou mayest say, that they are not free with it. S. How dost thou mean? Are they not free from the mother country? C. How can a people be free, who are dependent? Are not the States as dependent now as ever on the mother country? Whence cometh her luxuries, which thou seest crossing the Atlantic? Whence comest her language, her customs, her religion, her glory in war, and her manufactured articles which her people import? Are these signs of freedom, or of dependence? S. But they are free to enact their own laws, and choose their own rulers? C. They are free to choose as the majority may elect. I would say a majority of such as are not proscribed by law from choosing their own rulers. But thou seest more than one half of those who are ruled by law, who have no choice in the election of their rulers, and very many, who have a secured right to elect, do not exercise it. S. That is their own fault. C. Whose fault? S. The fault of those who are governed. C. Why is it their fault? S. Because they should assert their rights. C. What rights? S. The rights which others exercise. C. What rights do others exercise? S. The rights to elect minds to make laws, and govern them. C. Thou wilt see who will object to their assertion. S. I see who will not object. C. Who? S. The free and independent. C. Who are they? S. Those who dare speak the truth, and act without fear. C. And who are they? S. They are not many, I see. C. Then how are the few to control the many? S. I would not make war against them. C. What wouldst thou do? S. I would instruct them in the great principles of natural justice.