Prof. Smith: What do you use the lamp black for, Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: To toughen the wax so that it will not crack and so that it will adhere better. A Member: How do you get your excess of wax off the cloth? Mr. Jones: We just throw the rolls on a board and press them. Mr. Reed: I believe you would find it easier to tear it up into strips than to put it in rolls. We have been using that method. We ran short of cloth and I went to town and got some and tore off a piece about 8 or 9 yards long and folded it up into strips that wide and dipped it in the pure beeswax and pressed it on a board and it was ready for work. Col. Sober: I take just a common corn cob and wind it on as you would on a spool, then, while the wax is warm, I dip it in; you can have the cloth half an inch wide or an inch wide just as you please. My way of making wax is, I take two pounds of rosin, one pound of beeswax and half a pound of tallow. I find that stands all kinds of weather. Mr. Jones: You prefer the tallow? Col. Sober: Yes sir, I do. The Chairman: Beef tallow or mutton tallow? Col. Sober: I prefer mutton tallow; two pounds of rosin, one of beeswax and half a pound of tallow. Then you want to boil it very slowly and thoroughly, and pour it in cold water. A Member: Do you unroll this roll of cloth? Col. Sober: I have a machine to turn it on just the same as you would on a spool. Mr. Jones: The strip goes through the wax? Col. Sober: No, you wind that, then when your wax is warm, you drop this in but secure the ends, then take it out and lay it by till it's all saturated; then I tear it off as I use it. I find that is the most convenient thing, and I generally get calico, that is pretty closely woven, but is rotten so that it tears easily. Mr. Jones: Did you ever use raffia for tying your grafts? Col. Sober: No sir, I have not. Mr. Jones: We have used it on pecans and walnuts for the reason that it doesn't have to be untied as it bursts off with the growth of the tree. Col. Sober: This wax I have tried on thousands and thousands of grafts and it stands all kinds of weather. You can get wax that's been there 8 or 10 years and you can take it off now and use it. Mr. Jones: That is one advantage of using the tallow; linseed oil will dry out. Col. Sober: Tallow is the best; that's been my experience. A Member: If linseed oil is not used immediately or very soon, it gets hard. Mr. Jones: It's all right in wax and all right in cloth, too, if you keep it in a damp place till ready to use. Mr. Hutt: Can you use parafine in place of beeswax? The Chairman: Have you tried this method on the other hickories besides the pecans? Mr. Jones: Yes sir. The Chairman: You've got shagbark to catch fairly well, have you by this method? Mr. Jones: Yes sir. The Secretary: How did your pecans and hickories do last summer?