Speaking seriously, the department’s methods of mail-loading the postoffice car--methods which put from two to three and a half tons into cars that should carry six to ten tons--furnishes the carriage-raiders an excellent basis for their talks to the people to the effect that the roads are not getting sufficient pay for carrying the mails now, and if they (the people) want better or faster service the roads must be paid more money, either as bonuses or subsidies. In fact, the railroad people have been holding up this nonsensical--or collusive--practice of the department for years as basis for their demands for more pay for hauling the government mails. As proof of this statement, take the testimony of Mr. Julius Kruttschnitt before the Wolcott Commission, I think it was. Mr. Kruttschnitt was then (1901) Fourth Vice-President of the Southern Pacific. In reply to the Commission’s inquiry as to whether or not the mails could be profitably carried over the New Orleans-San Francisco routes at a half cent a pound ($10.00 per ton or for $100 to $200 per car if reasonably loaded), Mr. Kruttschnitt is reported to have answered in part that “at half a cent a pound the mileage rate for 442 miles is 2.3 cents. Statement G,” he continued, “shows that to carry one ton of mail we carry nineteen tons of _dead weight_, so that for hauling twenty tons we get 2 cents or a little over one-tenth of a cent a gross ton mile.” All very forceful and conclusive, if it were true, which it is not. It is true, however, that Mr. Kruttschnitt was making good argumentative use of the ridiculously low loading of cars under the regulations of the department. That is all. If the postoffice car used on Mr. Kruttschnitt’s road was a 50-foot car and weighed, say, 100,000 pounds, that and the railway mail clerks constituted the only “dead” weight hauled. His road got paid for hauling the tons of ridiculously heavy mail-handling equipment and fixtures in that car--got paid for hauling them _both ways_, at the regular mail-weight rates. His road also received over $8,000 a year rental, or “space pay,” whichever the rail-raiders desire to call it, for the use of that car for mail haulage. So, it is really not so bad as Mr. Kruttschnitt apparently would have it appear. In fact, one does not have to look into the matter very closely to see that the Southern Pacific had what might be called a “good thing” in its mail carrying contract. But what are the railroads really paid for hauling mail tonnage as compared with the rates they receive for hauling other tonnage? In writing to this phase of the question at the time of the pendency of the Fitzgerald and another bill,--the former requiring that periodical publishers pay $160 and the latter that they pay $80 per ton for mail carriage of their publication--Mr. Atkinson said: