Mr. ROBINSON. Oh, no; to any point on the Central Traffic Association territory. In other words, it may go to Cleveland. SENATOR DOLLIVER. Why do they bill it to Rochester? Mr. ROBINSON. In order to get the benefit of keeping it in transit fifteen days without any extra cost, first. SENATOR DOLLIVER. I do not see how that would affect the question of billing it to Rochester. Mr. ROBINSON. Because that enables the wholesaler to have fifteen days extra time in which to sell the lumber. The CHAIRMAN. Why haul it all around the country and then reduce the rate on that long haul? Mr. ROBINSON. In order that roads that are not entitled naturally to this traffic may by this process get the traffic. SENATOR DOLLIVER. What roads from Mississippi to East St. Louis? Mr. ROBINSON. Any of the trunk lines--the Illinois Central, the Louisville or the Southern Railway lines. The roads in Mississippi south of the river are not parties to this arrangement, you understand. In fact, as fast as they find it out they break it up, or try to. They do not want their traffic diverted. SENATOR KEAN. Does it not come down to this, that some road is trying to cheat another on the use of its cars? Mr. ROBINSON. Not only that, but it is trying to get traffic that does not belong to it.[286] Wherever a large volume of traffic is moving by an unnatural route, the first explanation which arises therefore is that rebates or rate-cutting are taking place.[287] [Illustration]