[This relates to what I am told was a real occurrence at a private gathering; but it is not evidential.] O. J. L.--Raymond, you know you want to give me some proofs. What kind of proofs do you think are best? Have you talked it over with Mr. Myers, and have you decided on the kind of proof that will be most evidential? I don't know yet. I feel divided between two ways: One is to give you objective proof, such as simple materialisations and direct voice, which you can set down and have attested. Or else I should have to give you information about my different experiences here, either something like what I am doing now, or through the table, or some other way. But he doesn't know whether he will be able to do the two things together. O. J. L.--No, not likely, not at the same time. But you can take opportunities of saying more about your life there. Yes, that's why he has been collecting information. He does so want to encourage people to look forward to a life they will certainly have to enter upon, and realise that it is a rational life. All this that he has been giving you now, and that I gave to Lionel, you must sort out, and put in order, because I can only give it scrappily. I want to study things here a lot. Would you think it selfish if I say I wouldn't like to be back now?--I wouldn't give this up for anything. Don't think it selfish, or that I want to be away from you all. I have still got you, because I feel you so close, closer even. I wouldn't come back, I wouldn't for anything that anyone could give me. He hardly liked to put it that way to his mother. Is Alec here? (Feda looking round.) O. J. L.--No, but I hope he will be coming. Tell him not to say who he is. I did enjoy myself that first time that Lionel came--I could talk for hours. (O. J. L. had here looked at his watch quietly.) I could talk for hours; don't go yet.